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Reflex Saves

kreynolds said:


Ahhh, but would the one doing the pinning get a cover bonus to his not-save because he placed his pinned target between himself and the effect? ;)

No Save = No Save = No Save.

A bonus to No Save still = No Save.

If the one doing the pinning gives up his save, then he gives up his save.
 

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Artoomis said:
No Save = No Save = No Save.

A bonus to No Save still = No Save.

If the one doing the pinning gives up his save, then he gives up his save.

Uhhh...you need to loosen up. What I posted was obviously a completely ludicrous statement that had no basis upon fact or logic. Thus, it should not have been taken seriously. :)
 
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kreynolds said:


Uhhh...you need to loosen up. What I posted was obviously a completely ludicrous statement that had no basis upon fact or logic. Thus, it should not have been taken seriously. :)

Sorry. Dry humor like mine sometimes does not come across as such.

Never mind.
 


So if a Dragon initiates a grapple as a free action after biting and succeeds dealing bite damage again and then next round breaths shouldn't the character get a reflex save?

I wouldn't allow a save. If someone is in a dragon's mouth, they are basically dead meat anyway. Even as a player myself I would realize that and just start writing up a new character. I should know, everytime I come up against a dragon my character dies horribly.
 

KingOfChaos said:
I wouldn't allow a save. If someone is in a dragon's mouth, they are basically dead meat anyway.

Though I understand that you do not get a save in this situation, according to the rules, this can't be applied universally. I'm afraid that if a DM simply denied me the opportunity to fight, simply because they think that I can't win, I would have to kick him in the jimmy. :D

Besides, never underestimate the lethal effectiveness of a swallowed character armed with a multi-empowered Cone of Cold wondrous item in the belly of a Red Dragon.
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KingOfChaos said:
Even as a player myself I would realize that and just start writing up a new character. I should know, everytime I come up against a dragon my character dies horribly.

Perhaps you come up against them too early. Perhaps you're ill-prepared. Perhaps your party doesn't use the best tactics. Perhaps your DM likes to throw Great Wyrms against 10th level characters to prove some kind of sick, twisted, immature point.

Or, perhaps, you're just unlucky. ;)
 
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KarinsDad said:


I disagree to a certain extent. I agree with the example you were responding to, but there are other cases where I think DM adjudicating in player favor is called for.
I'm all for lienient interpretations, just not out-n-out rule changes. (And I agree completely with your adjucation of the bite-n-swallow).
 

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