Reincarnation

[funmasta]

"Its class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, and hit points are unchanged. Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores depend partly on the new body."

That says the spell - does this mean, you keep your randomed Hitpoints and adept the hitpoints due the constitution score or does this mean it is like polymorph (u have exactly the same hitpoints)

 

[MarkB]

You keep your base hitpoints, and apply the Constitution modifier of your new form in place of that of your old form.

 

[zeroorez]

so does a reincarnated player get the level adjustment of its new form or gain new hitdice for example bugbear has a level adjustment of +1 and 3 monster hit dice so in this case does the lets say a 4th level player come back as a 6th level player

4th - 1 for reincarnate + 3 monster = 6th

if this is true however then that player is sitting at the xp of a 3rd level character and will need to gain 4 levels of xp befor advancing another level. 4 because of the bugbear level adjustment of +1

so im woundering what rules there are for this because i am in this situation with my character right now i have argued that i should not get the monster hit dice and my dm agread with me on that but now my character is 2 levels behind the party 1 from the level loss and 1 for the level adjustment the level loss i can recover from because i will get more xp for being lower level but the level adjustment i really want gone if all else fails i can just kill myself and take a nother level loss.

 

[Kafkonia]

so does a reincarnated player get the level adjustment of its new form or gain new hitdice for example bugbear has a level adjustment of +1 and 3 monster hit dice so in this case does the lets say a 4th level player come back as a 6th level player

4th - 1 for reincarnate + 3 monster = 6th

if this is true however then that player is sitting at the xp of a 3rd level character and will need to gain 4 levels of xp befor advancing another level. 4 because of the bugbear level adjustment of +1

AFAIK, yes, that is correct. It has never come up in my game (only reincarnated a halfling rogue as an orc. She's great fun at family reunions now.)

so im woundering what rules there are for this because i am in this situation with my character right now i have argued that i should not get the monster hit dice and my dm agread with me on that but now my character is 2 levels behind the party 1 from the level loss and 1 for the level adjustment the level loss i can recover from because i will get more xp for being lower level but the level adjustment i really want gone if all else fails i can just kill myself and take a nother level loss.

Well, I think the chief problem arose because you didn't take the monster HD -- LA really only works in conjunction with the monster HD (if applicable), not on its own. But I would reconsider dying and taking another level loss -- you'll really be in no better position than you are now, as you'll be two levels behind anyway. Yes, it means that for XP determination you'll move a bit faster, but you'll also lose bugbear abilities and (here's the kicker) you could always wind up with another LA+1 race, such as hobgoblin.

 

[Sejs]

You keep the randomed HP you had before (well, minus the last one on account of the level loss), and adjust the total based on your new con modifier. So if you were a dwarf with an 18 base con, and your +2 racial adjustment brought that up to 20... then you get reincarnated as an elf, your new con is 16. 20, eliminate the old racial adjustment, brings it to 18, apply the new racial adjustment, it's now 16. The difference in con modifiers means you lose 2hp per level. As if you'd had a 16 con the whole time.

If you've been reincarnated as a race that has racial HD, generally speaking, ya gotta start taking those racial HD as your next available levels. You don't suddenly shoot up several HD spontaneously, and you don't shed even more class levels to kind of ret-con them with racial HD. You just have your next couple of levels pre-selected for you.

 

[Sejs]

so does a reincarnated player get the level adjustment of its new form or gain new hitdice for example bugbear has a level adjustment of +1 and 3 monster hit dice so in this case does the lets say a 4th level player come back as a 6th level player

4th - 1 for reincarnate + 3 monster = 6th

if this is true however then that player is sitting at the xp of a 3rd level character and will need to gain 4 levels of xp befor advancing another level. 4 because of the bugbear level adjustment of +1

so im woundering what rules there are for this because i am in this situation with my character right now i have argued that i should not get the monster hit dice and my dm agread with me on that but now my character is 2 levels behind the party 1 from the level loss and 1 for the level adjustment the level loss i can recover from because i will get more xp for being lower level but the level adjustment i really want gone if all else fails i can just kill myself and take a nother level loss.

Basically what would happen is something like this: Say your character was .. I don't know, a 4th level human fighter. Die, get reincarnated as a bugbear (3 rhd, +1 la)


Base: 4th Lv Human Fighter. ECL = 4.

*die, get reincarnated*
-1 level from being brought back to life: 3rd Lv Bugbear Fighter with no racial HD. ECL = 4.

*adventure, start going up levels*
Start to pay for your +1 LA, or take a racial HD (DM's choice).. or start on the Bugbear racial progression from Savage Species (highly recommended) end result: 3rd Lv Bugbear Fighter with all 3 racial HD, ECL = 7.

In a nutshell, you don't get the monster HD yet, you're still going to have to pay for those, but at the same time you also don't get the benefits of the monster HD (bab, saves, skills, etc). What you do have right now is the LA ... which you'll have to pay off, basically ... and the base adjustments (+4 str, +2 dex, +2 con, +3 nat armor, 60' darkvision, +4 racial bonus on move silently). And your next few levels are locked in - gotta take those racial HD, soon as ya can.

 

[zeroorez]

here is the real deal

im not level 4 im level 8 druid / master of many forms

bugbear stats are dump stats for me which means I now have the level adjustment for stuff i dont use

so sucks to be me i guess

 

[Sejs]

Ah. Yeah. Caster.

You're in for a world of hurt.

Ask your DM if there's any other option you can persue to at least get back to a non-RHD race. Explain to him that being stuck with having to dump such a big chunk on stuff that's essentially worthless for you, would pretty much make the character no longer any fun to play.

Try to come up with some sort of compromise.

 

[zeroorez]

so is there an offical place where i can see these rules and posibly make my own interpretations

i like the idea of trying to make a deal with my dm but i whould like to see the rules before making any arguments that might hinder me more then i am currently

 

[Jhaelen]

so does a reincarnated player get the level adjustment of its new form or gain new hitdice for example bugbear has a level adjustment of +1 and 3 monster hit dice so in this case does the lets say a 4th level player come back as a 6th level player

I don't think there's an official ruling on this anywhere.
IMC you'd simply get the additional racial hit dice but LA is NOT increased. I think it's bad enough you're now a bugbear...for many characters that's a reason to seriously consider comitting suicide.