Rejoice, ye monks!

[smetzger]

Ok, I re-read it a couple of times. He is saying that the amulet is priced correctly and that if you want gauntlets it would be 4kgp.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

So, fists count as a double weapon?

No, but the amulet applies to fists, headbuts, kicks, claws, bites, slams, etc. It applies to Natural Weapons as well as monk attacks.

 

[Thanee]

So, fists count as a double weapon?

Nope, but it's similar in a way.

It applies to all unarmed attacks and all natural weapons, not just one, this would require multiple castings of Greater Magic Fang to provide usually. I guess they just picked 2 (or 3 and the Sage changed it to 2 with the slot stuff) times the cost as some sort of mean value to cover that.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Shin Okada]

Shin: Remember that you've got weapon-style gauntlets (presumably heavy and armored, like +1 gauntlets) and also wondrous-item-style gauntlets (presumably light like a glove, such as gauntlets of ogre power).

I've presumed that the FAQ entry is talking about the former, while the ROG article is talking about the latter.

Actually, Gauntlets of Ogre Power (4 lbs.) are hevier than usual Gauntlets (2 lbs. in pair).

But anyway, by making Gloves of Mighty Fists instead of gauntlets, the problem will be solved.

 

[Klaus]

Gauntlets of ogre power are described as being heavy leather gloves with studs on the back of the hand. Doesn't sound as a weapon to me (not any more than brass knuckles, anyway).

 

[Lamoni]

Regarding Monks, mighty fists is way overpriced, and it would still be overpriced as gauntlets. It seems much more economical to find some way to have a spellcaster cast magic weapon, greater on you once a day. My sorcerer will be doing that to the party monk starting next session (just learned the spell).

Regarding everyone else, they don't have the monk's ability "A monk’s unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons." Even if the monk found an amulet of mighty fists +5, they would rather sell it for half price and use the money for something more useful. A druid on the other hand might decide to keep it.

 

[Nail]

How about a price for: Gaunlets of Monk-only Unarmed Strike Smackiness +1. Would we use "double price of a +1 weapon" then? If so, why?

Seems as if it should be just 2000gp.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

How about a price for: Gaunlets of Monk-only Unarmed Strike Smackiness +1. Would we use "double price of a +1 weapon" then? If so, why?

Seems as if it should be just 2000gp.

They'd still have the "Cannot be disarmed, can be used freely in conjunction with other weapons (even a two-handed weapon), cannot be sundered, etc." benefits of monk attacks.

x2? Nah, but maybe still x1.5.

 

[Scion]

They'd still have the "Cannot be disarmed, can be used freely in conjunction with other weapons (even a two-handed weapon), cannot be sundered, etc." benefits of monk attacks.

x2? Nah, but maybe still x1.5.

They also have the problem of needing to use a slot that would not otherwise be used for that. Cutting into other options pretty deeply. Both the glove slot and amulet slot are very important for monks already.

The only weapons they could use it with are monks weapons, and those wouldnt get the bonus.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

The only weapons they could use it with are monks weapons, and those wouldnt get the bonus.

Perhaps I should have been more specific.

If I am a Fighter with a +1 Rapier in hand (Piercing), and suddenly find myself beset by skeletal undead, it costs me at least one action (and possibly more!) to change over to my +1 Heavy Mace (Bludgeoning). Then, should I need to switch back, it will take me at least one more - and likely more, as I probably dropped the rapier in order to switch faster.

If I am a Monk with a +1 Siangham in hand (Piercing), and suddenly find myself beset by skeletal undead, I can change over to my +1 Monk Attack (Bludgeoning) without interruption, and can change back to my Siangham similarly. In fact, I can weave both in and out, choosing which I'm using each time I roll to attack.

That's what I meant by, "Can be used with multiple weapons."