Revised CRs/ECLs - Thread #3

[Wulf Ratbane]

To sum up the discussion which took place before, if you raise the CR of the fighter who's got all 18's, basically, you punish him because he was lucky in his dice rolls, which is not the least logical.

How is it illogical to challenge a character with all 18's with opponents suited to his abilities, and to give him experience based on an equitable challenge?

Likewise, why is it logical to reward the lucky character with the same amount of XP when he cakewalks through an encounter that is challenging for the average character?

Throw an orc at both the average fighter, and the all 18's fighter, and see what happens. Then tell me that the all 18's fighter is as challenged as the average fighter and as deserving of equal XP.

But just to be clear, my concern isn't so much with punishing or rewarding the players. The intent is to make sure that the encounters thrown at them are appropriate for their effective level-- and that's whether it is the characters who have all 18's, or the orc fighter who has all 18's, or even just a couple of key 18's (and is a far more deadly opponent than an orc with the standard array, without question).

Ability scores are relevant. Denying it cuts the legs out of the integrity of the whole system. I'm not attacking UK, and I'm not saying the info isn't there, and I'm not even saying it's not as if I can't "fix it" myself.

I'm simply saying it is a disservice to the system and the hard work of the designer to come out and state that ability scores are not relevant. They obviously are. Why go through all the mathematical acrobatics-- which are brilliant-- and leave a gaping hole in the logic?

Wulf

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi all.

Just when you thought the imbecile couldn't mess things up further none of my fonts register in the pdf. I am seemingly close to a nervous breakdown with this bloody thing.

Are there any experts in using acrobat out there?

I know the problem is something to do with embedded fonts. In the hard drive change over I made a few months ago somehow Adobe Type Manager was deleted. However I have downloaded font manager and made sure the fonts are all in distiller and they should be embedded. But for some reason its just not embedding the new fonts...?

I could well be too stressed just to see the wood for the trees, it would be helpful if someone out there has some experience with this sort of thing to take me through it.

If not I am going to need a good nights sleep and approach this with a fresh perspective...and if that fails I'm throwing the computer out the window.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Okay ignore what I just said - I thought I would have one last ditch attempt and lo and behold the power of the krust has triumphed!

Hurrah!

 

[Leopold]

Dear god,
I've been a god boy this year. I've gone to church, I haven't killed anyone, and my players all say I am the nicest DM ever. So pleae god, grant me one wish, make the naughty Mr. Upper Krust give me the files so I can sleep soundly at nite.

Thank you god for listening,

Leopold

 

[Upper_Krust]

v4 is in da House...Rules Forum

Hi all!

You might want to go here:

http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=66470

Thanks to everyone who helped and supported along the way, much appreciated. Special thanks to poilbrun who helped me iron out a few things with the prototype today.

...right, lets see, who have I not responded to yet?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Dark Wolf mate!

Here she is mate!

Pale Night, Demon Queen of Ravens

Based off of Serge's Demiurge template FYI!

Okay my first impression is could'nt you have picked an easier Monster to equate.

That thing has more special abilities than the entire Monster Manual!

Not only that but most of them are multiple choice (like the pseudo Divine Ranks; Demon Prince Traits etc.)

Okay it could take me a while to look over it all, though you being familiar with all its abilities should easily be able to determine them using v4.

I may start it in bitesize chunks, one special ability at a time.