Riding intelligent mount

[marune]

Ok, you're a wizard riding a horse, round action = full move, you can't cast.

Now you're the same wizard riding a dragon, round action = full move, you can't cast.

But, if you happen to fall on this mounted dragon, while he's moving you can attack him or the riding wizard, right ?

Same thing could be asked for a "more regular but still intelligent mount" like a Nightmare.

I'm a bit confused, thanks for help.

 

[MatthewJHanson]

Ok, you're a wizard riding a horse, round action = full move, you can't cast.

I think your initial assumption is incorrect. Here's wha the SRD has to say about casting while mounted:

You can cast a spell normally if your mount moves up to a normal move (its speed) either before or after you cast. If you have your mount move both before and after you cast a spell, then you’re casting the spell while the mount is moving, and you have to make a Concentration check due to the vigorous motion (DC 10 + spell level) or lose the spell. If the mount is running (quadruple speed), you can cast a spell when your mount has moved up to twice its speed, but your Concentration check is more difficult due to the violent motion (DC 15 + spell level).

So it sounds to me like you can cast a spell while your mount takes a full movemet, you just have to make a Concentration check.

 

[marune]

I think your initial assumption is incorrect. Here's wha the SRD has to say about casting while mounted.

Edti : forget about that part, it was late

 

[shilsen]

No :

You can cast a spell normally if your mount moves up to a normal move (its speed) either before or after you cast.

MatthewJHanson is correct. Read the rest of the section he quoted. The "cast a spell normally" means you can cast without needing a concentration check in that case. The last section even lists casting off a mount moving at quadruple speed.

 

[TheGogmagog]

I think skeptic is also wrong about the fighter being able to stand on the dragon and attack normally. To stand on a dragon and fight, you first need 5'x5' flat surface to 'fight effectively. I can't think of anything smaller than gargantuan that would even have a chance to fulfill that. If you are moving, there should be balance/climb checks which would limit the type of attacks you can make.

 

[marune]

I think skeptic is also wrong about the fighter being able to stand on the dragon and attack normally. To stand on a dragon and fight, you first need 5'x5' flat surface to 'fight effectively. I can't think of anything smaller than gargantuan that would even have a chance to fulfill that. If you are moving, there should be balance/climb checks which would limit the type of attacks you can make.

Hmm yeah but that wasn't the point here, the question here is when you have a rider on a intelligent mount (so the rider isn't properly speaking riding) can he act normaly (ie. having a move and a standard action available for him).

 

[shilsen]

Hmm yeah but that wasn't the point here, the question here is when you have a rider on a intelligent mount (so the rider isn't properly speaking riding) can he act normaly (ie. having a move and a standard action available for him).

You have a move and standard action available to you on any mount, intelligent or otherwise.

 

[TheGogmagog]

The mount being intelligent would would remove the need to Guide your mount, or control it in combat. The mount would act on it's own initiative, and you would have full round actions available to you (spontanious caster using a metamagic rod). A fighter would also be able to make it's full attack action with a bow, and melee attacks have special rules, but if you are attacking your mount or another rider on the same mount you would have your own attacks.

Separatly, you would suffer spell failure check depending on the ammount of movement.

 

[marune]

The mount being intelligent would would remove the need to Guide your mount, or control it in combat. The mount would act on it's own initiative, and you would have full round actions available to you (spontanious caster using a metamagic rod). A fighter would also be able to make it's full attack action with a bow, and melee attacks have special rules, but if you are attacking your mount or another rider on the same mount you would have your own attacks.

Separatly, you would suffer spell failure check depending on the ammount of movement.

Ok that's exactly what I wanted to know.

 

[Primitive Screwhead]

However, riding an intelligent mount does not negate the need to hang on. Granting this free haste like ability to characters simply because they climb on an intelligent buddy is not the way to go.

The way I read it is that the rider needs to burn a move action to hang on, and either matched intitiave or must delay until the mount gets to the right point.

At home I have a HR sheet on riding unwilling or intelligent mounts that covers pretty much all of this.