Rise of Skywalker: The Seen It/Spoilers Thread

[Zardnaar]

I haven't seen it yet, but I like the idea of a clone and force lich, I think that's pretty cool actually. They said it was their idea all along, but I feel like it was something they slapped in it to fix what Rian Johnson did in Last Jedi and course correct. And yeah, if they left it as vague as they did, I guess the Emperor can keep coming back over and over. Rey didn't smash his PHYLACTERY did she?

Well they didn't explain it. But since they introduced it they can reuse it. I think Palpatine is gone but yeah if he can theoretically keep coming back if needed.

Same with Snoke clones.

 

[pukunui]

Who's been complaining about yellow lightsabers? Seems silly lol.

Nobody here on ENWorld. It was in one of the reviews I read and/or on Reddit.

Well they didn't explain it. But since they introduced it they can reuse it. I think Palpatine is gone but yeah if he can theoretically keep coming back if needed.

Same with Snoke clones.

The impression I got was that Palpatine was still in his original body, not a clone. That's why it looked all rotten and broken and undead. Snoke definitely was a clone -- Palpatine tells Kylo that he created Snoke and you can see at least two more Snoke bodies in a vat.

I maintain that Snoke was a proxy, not a puppet. Otherwise Rey and Ren's "Force dyad" would not have been such a surprise that Palps decided to change his plans once he discovered it.

 

[Zardnaar]

Nobody here on ENWorld. It was in one of the reviews I read and/or on Reddit.

The impression I got was that Palpatine was still in his original body, not a clone. That's why it looked all rotten and broken and undead. Snoke definitely was a clone -- Palpatine tells Kylo that he created Snoke and you can see at least two more Snoke bodies in a vat.

I maintain that Snoke was a proxy, not a puppet. Otherwise Rey and Ren's "Force dyad" would not have been such a surprise that Palps decided to change his plans once he discovered it.

Palpatine said he died in the movie right near the start. When Kylo threatened to kill him.

It could be his original body I suppose but it doesn't make a lot of sense with the DS explosion in the shaft then the DS explosion.

I suspect the pace of the movie was also an effort to distract. Look at the pretty visuals don't think about it, next scene wash rinse repeat.

 

[pukunui]

Palpatine said he died in the movie right near the start. When Kylo threatened to kill him.

It could be his original body I suppose but it doesn't make a lot of sense with the DS explosion in the shaft then the DS explosion.

I agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense given the explosion. However, his body looked undead, like it was a corpse that was being artificially kept alive. Rather than a cloned body that had been grown in a vat. If that was the case, there'd have been no need to make it look so corpse-like.

Let's not forget that Maul somehow survived being chopped in half and dropped down a power shaft. With that as precedent, it's possible that Palpatine's body somehow came through the ensuing explosions without being entirely incinerated. Perhaps it just got really badly burnt and then was found by Sith cultists in the DS wreckage.

 

[Zardnaar]

I agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense given the explosion. However, his body looked undead, like it was a corpse that was being artificially kept alive. Rather than a cloned body that had been grown in a vat. If that was the case, there'd have been no need to make it look so corpse-like.

Let's not forget that Maul somehow survived being chopped in half and dropped down a power shaft. With that as precedent, it's possible that Palpatine's body somehow came through the ensuing explosions without being entirely incinerated. Perhaps it just got really badly burnt and then was found by Sith cultists in the DS wreckage.

Possible. He's also really old by now and his spirit or whatever could be but ing up the bodies.

There's a throw away line from the rebels about Sith magic and clones.

Just falls into the don't think about it next scene approach. Sit back and drink your member berry wine.

Look it's a tie fighter.
Look it's OT stormtrooper helmet.
Oh look it's a lamda class shuttle.
Oh look it's wedge
Oh look Deathstar wreckage is the room from ANH
Oh look it's Palpatine
Etc.

Member berries

 

[pukunui]

Just falls into the don't think about it next scene approach.

I enjoy thinking about these things. It's how my brain works. I like to know. That said, I accept that not everything is -- or even should be -- explained. This lets me use my imagination to come up with my own explanations.

 

[jonesy]

It was a good movie. Not an earth shattering fangasm, nor the greatest dissappointment ever. A regular good movie.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

Yeah they'll make some novels or comics. I got a Lando plus daughter spin off vibe.

Interesting. I was under the impression that Lando was flirtatious with the girl (with all the pairings alluded to just before or after...) I probably got the tone wrong.

Overall, I liked it more than the first prequel and the two sequels. I'd rate it below AotC and RotS. Pacing was a little off at first, I concur with what other have been saying. We do get a lot of "deus ex machina" moments, especially for the appearance of the "fleet" at the end when they already tried to pull this off at the end of the previous film and failed to gather a large support. Explanation of why it worked this time, when they got no significant victory to gather support around them was a little bit lacking ("it's them making us thinking we're isolated..." wuh?)
Some scenes were cool or fun (the spy one, the arrival the feast of the ancestor...) and the overall aesthetics on par with the other sequels, which is a good thing imho.

I don't think we'll see more of the Emperor. I understood him to be more undead (saying that the Dark Side allowed him to do unnatural things) rather than cloned. If cloning in SW terms is even remotely related to what we call cloning, his clone, even old, would look like Palpatine, not the wreck of a man he was made after the fight with windu and overusing his dark sides power to off him.

 

[pukunui]

Interesting. I was under the impression that Lando was flirtatious with the girl (with all the pairings alluded to just before or after...) I probably got the tone wrong.

Huh. I didn't get that impression at all but now that I think back on it, I can see how it might have come across that way ... Suggesting they find out where she's from could be seen as innuendo.

We do get a lot of "deus ex machina" moments, especially for the appearance of the "fleet" at the end when they already tried to pull this off at the end of the previous film and failed to gather a large support. Explanation of why it worked this time, when they got no significant victory to gather support around them was a little bit lacking ("it's them making us thinking we're isolated..." wuh?)

I could be imagining it, but I feel like it was explained somewhere -- perhaps in a novel or something -- that the reason no one answered Leia's call at the end of TLJ is because the First Order was jamming the signal. But I also feel like one of the minor Resistance characters confirms that the signal is getting through in the movie itself, so maybe that's not right.

That said, the whole "divide and conquer" thing seems like a sound strategy for galactic dominion. Make everyone think they're alone so they can't join together and form a new, effective resistance. We know Lando has a way with words, so clearly he was able to succeed where Leia was unable to before.

I don't think we'll see more of the Emperor. I understood him to be more undead (saying that the Dark Side allowed him to do unnatural things) rather than cloned. If cloning in SW terms is even remotely related to what we call cloning, his clone, even old, would look like Palpatine, not the wreck of a man he was made after the fight with windu and overusing his dark sides power to off him.

My sentiments exactly.

I am also now wondering if one could interpret that "all of the Sith" made Snoke rather than Palpatine specifically. The Snoke we saw in the first two movies just seems to be too old and experienced too much to be a lab-grown fake baddy. Maybe it's one of the other Sith spirits inhabiting Palps' undead body that is saying that. Maybe the Sith cultists on Exogol were already there doing creepy Sith things when Palps arrived after the Battle of Endor. I really hope that Disney will now come clean and reveal a bit more about Snoke's backstory now that the saga is finished. We know that they know; they just haven't been willing to tell us yet.

 

[Zardnaar]

Interesting. I was under the impression that Lando was flirtatious with the girl (with all the pairings alluded to just before or after...) I probably got the tone wrong.

Overall, I liked it more than the first prequel and the two sequels. I'd rate it below AotC and RotS. Pacing was a little off at first, I concur with what other have been saying. We do get a lot of "deus ex machina" moments, especially for the appearance of the "fleet" at the end when they already tried to pull this off at the end of the previous film and failed to gather a large support. Explanation of why it worked this time, when they got no significant victory to gather support around them was a little bit lacking ("it's them making us thinking we're isolated..." wuh?)
Some scenes were cool or fun (the spy one, the arrival the feast of the ancestor...) and the overall aesthetics on par with the other sequels, which is a good thing imho.

I don't think we'll see more of the Emperor. I understood him to be more undead (saying that the Dark Side allowed him to do unnatural things) rather than cloned. If cloning in SW terms is even remotely related to what we call cloning, his clone, even old, would look like Palpatine, not the wreck of a man he was made after the fight with windu and overusing his dark sides power to off him.

She was kidnapped didn't know her family. It's not definitive.

They left Palpatines return open. Didn't really explain it but.

1. He died.
2. Line about clones and Sith dark technology or magic.