Rogue Weapon Talent Use/Abuse?

[Xzylvador]

This is posted on gleemax too, thought I'd ask the same question here...Gleemax is down too often to form a good discussion anyways.
Rogue weapon talent says you get a +1 to attack when you wield, and if you wield a shuriken, your weapons die size increases (d4-d6-d8-d10).
It says wield, not "if/when you attack with", so does this mean that the +1 atk and die increases even if it's not the weapon you're attacking with?
So I wield a rapier(or even a battleaxe) in 1 hand and a dagger in another, attack with the rapier/axe and get another +1 to the attack 'cuz I'm pestering him with my dagger? Makes sense, imo.
This gets stranger with the shuriken making my rapier do more damage in melee? It could be ruled this works only on ranged attacks (spamming shurikens around him so the actual crossbow bolt hits a more painful place), but RAW mentions nothing of it.

And to make it worse, even the rogue powers mention wielding a light blade, not "using for this power". By RAW, does this mean you can use assassin's point with a battleaxe if you just got a dagger in your unused hand?

I'd think, especially in the last case, that Wizard's wording is just messed up and D&D "wield" means "using for this attack", but that's not mentioned anywhere...
Thoughts?

 

[Blackbrrd]

Its abuse

 

[On Puget Sound]

from dictionary.com:
wield
–verb (used with object) 1. to exercise (power, authority, influence, etc.), as in ruling or dominating.
2. to use (a weapon, instrument, etc.) effectively; handle or employ actively.

nothing wrong with RAW. Wield = use

 

[icarusfallz]

From Dictionary.com

wield

1. to exercise (power, authority, influence, etc.), as in ruling or dominating.
2. to use (a weapon, instrument, etc.) effectively; handle or employ actively.
3. Archaic. to guide or direct.
4. Archaic. to govern; manage.

Anyone attempting to abuse the wording of the rule needs to look up the term. I don't know why people have to even bother to look for loopholes. I hate that crap.


Edit: Wow, ninja'd by O.P.S. kewl.

 

[Family]

Wield may be interpreted...but the intent is clear. And "with that weapon." to the end of those lines.

 

[Incendax]

It is completely legal for a rogue to wield a dagger in his offhand and gain the bonus with his main hand. You didn't think Rogues were that limited in weapon choice, did you? Indeed, there are several instances in the book where Wield specifically does not mean attacking with. Even customer services has specified that you can wield without attacking.

It is also completely legal for you to use any other weapon you want for your Rogue Exploits. Just keep in mind the following things: Sneak Attacking DOES require you to actually USE that weapon in the attack. For instance, you can Deft Strike with a Longsword in one hand and a dagger in the other, but unless you are attacking with the dagger then you don't apply your Sneak Attack to the opponent. Also, this requires proficiency to be any good with the desired weapon, and Rogues start with rather slim proficiencies.

I honestly can't answer the Shuriken question. By RAW your weapon damage die increases one size, but it does not specify which weapon die, and in this instance if it does not specifically say then it does not happen.

 

[Oompa]

It was already explained, that wielding is using..

You cannot wield an wizard staff or wand in the same hand as an light shield, you have to use it..

So you can hold an dagger in one hand, and an shuriken in the other, but only when you THROW the shuriken, you get the bonuses.. or when you STAB with youre dagger you get the bonusses..

So wielding is USING

Oh and this is also said by WOTC

 

[Incendax]

Oh and this is also said by WOTC

On the contrary, WOTC has said that you can WIELD it and gain all the relevant property bonuses, you simply cannot ATTACK with it for the purpose of activating powers or applying that item's enhancement bonus.

 

[hong]

It's abuse.

 

[On Puget Sound]

If WOTC said that then WOTC is wrong. To wield something means to use it; to use a power or ability that requires wielding a particular weapon or item, you must deliver the power using that weapon or item. Ask a different custserv; the one you got was clearly broken.