Rogue with telling blow

[Hypersmurf]

it says add your Sneak Attack dice to the damage caused when you crit.

Right.

And if he happens to be flat-footed, it's "Yay! Sneak Attack! Now, where are my sneak attack dice? Oh, they're over there - already added to the damage."

-Hyp.

 

[Kmart Kommando]

It says add your Sneak Attack damage in addition to the damage caused by your crit.

If he happened to be flat-footed, sucks to be them. If a normal hit was a sneak attack, add the dice, if it's a confirmed crit, add the dice for that ability too.

If a Skullclan Hunter used his sneak attack undead ability, and used Razing Strike, he would also get double sneak attack dice.
The Sneak Attack ability doesn't say 'only once per hit'. Though normally it may be a given, there are at least 2 places that you can double up on it.
It does say extra dice aren't multiplied on a crit, but these aren't, they are added.

 

[Sejs]

The Sneak Attack ability doesn't say 'only once per hit'. Though normally it may be a given, there are at least 2 places that you can double up on it.

Can you point out those two places? Because precedent says otherwise. There are several examples that expressly state that precision based damage is only applied once for a given attack.

There are no examples that expressly state that it is applied multiple times for one.

 

[Kmart Kommando]

Can you point out those two places? Because precedent says otherwise. There are several examples that expressly state that precision based damage is only applied once for a given attack.

There are no examples that expressly state that it is applied multiple times for one.

Sources of Sneak Attack stack. Regardless of how you got the dice, you add them up to determine how much you're rolling. +dice from ability A stack with +dice from ability B.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Sources of Sneak Attack stack. Regardless of how you got the dice, you add them up to determine how much you're rolling. +dice from ability A stack with +dice from ability B.

Right. And Telling Blow allows you to apply your dice from both ability A and ability B to the damage you deal.

But you can't apply the dice from ability A two or three times for two or three different reasons on the same attack.

-Hyp.

 

[Kmart Kommando]

Ability A: rogue levels, target is flanked.

Ability B: Telling Blow feat, and you just confirmed a crit.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Ability A: rogue levels, target is flanked.

Ability B: Telling Blow feat, and you just confirmed a crit.

But while sneak attack dice from different abilities stack, Telling Blow does not provide any sneak attack dice to stack with anything else. All it does is allow you to use sneak attack dice you already possess from elsewhere.

So in this case, your sneak attack dice 'from Ability B' are your sneak attack dice from Ability A. And sneak attack dice from Ability A won't stack with sneak attack dice from Ability A.

-Hyp.

 

[Kmart Kommando]

But while sneak attack dice from different abilities stack, Telling Blow does not provide any sneak attack dice to stack with anything else. All it does is allow you to use sneak attack dice you already possess from elsewhere.

So in this case, your sneak attack dice 'from Ability B' are your sneak attack dice from Ability A. And sneak attack dice from Ability A won't stack with sneak attack dice from Ability A.

-Hyp.

It says "in addition to.." which means "this is added on top of what you have"

 

[Hypersmurf]

It says "in addition to.." which means "this is added on top of what you have"

You deal your skirmish or sneak attack damage in addition to the damage from the critical hit.

But if he's flanked as well, then you're already dealing your skirmish or sneak attack damage in addition to the damage from the critical hit. The Telling Blow doesn't grant anything you don't already have, in that situation; it allows you to do something you were already doing.

-Hyp.

 

[Sejs]

Ability A: rogue levels, target is flanked.

Ability B: Telling Blow feat, and you just confirmed a crit.

Presenting the topic being discussed as the argument doesn't work. X is Y, therefor X is Y isn't a valid assertion.

Granted, generative sources of Sneak Attack stack: if I have 5 levels of rogue (+3d6 sneak attack) and 1 level of assassin (+1d6 sneak attack) I have a total of +4d6 sneak attack.

What I'm looking for is precedent that says if you meet Condition 1 you apply your sneak attack, if you meet Condition 2 you apply your sneak attack, if you meet Condition 1 and Condition 2 you apply your sneak attack twice for a given attack.

Other than Telling Blow, because that's what we're trying to establish precedent for.

Heck, email CustServ if it comes down to it.