Round III is OVER

[Rystil Arden]

This was the point I was making.

And because most PC's favor offense, it leaves the NPC's to be defensive, and if your BBEG Wizard is spending his time counterspelling the PC Mages spells, the rest of the party is OWNING him. I just hate it.

Now, that said, I am a big magic fan, played at Nationals, and love control decks in general and blue in particular(and a big hello to Wrath of God) but D&D isnt magic. We handwave the Counterspelling rules anyway, and while I think Endurance is the lamest feat left, I still think Counterspelling is terrible as written. If there were spells, instead of feats, for counterspelling(Much like dispel magic, but not quite) then I'd be more behind the inclusion.

if your BBEG Wizard is spending his time counterspelling the PC Mages spells, the rest of the party is OWNING him

Not if he is Reactive Counterspelling only the ones he doesn't like and Masterying those spells back on the party.

And besides, switch it around: If the PC wizard is spending his time counterspelling the BBEG Mages spells, the rest of the party is OWNING him

 

[Seeten]

This is exactly why I didn't vote for it - Endurance is pretty good news for low-Dex fighter types

As many have noted already on this very thread, NOBODY wears medium armor. So sleeping in your medium armor...well, my fighters all wear plate, so this does nothing for that, and then a +4 bonus to a bunch of ridiculous rolls? No thanks.

Let you sleep in leather armor? Well, wow, color me enthused. Please, Endurance, make your exit so I dont need to vote for you again next round.

 

[Seeten]

Not if he is Reactive Counterspelling only the ones he doesn't like and Masterying those spells back on the party.

And besides, switch it around: If the PC wizard is spending his time counterspelling the BBEG Mages spells, the rest of the party is OWNING him

No amount of discussion is going to make me like spending 3 feats on counterspelling.

 

[Rystil Arden]

No amount of discussion is going to make me like spending 3 feats on counterspelling.

Well then disagree all you like, but when push came to shove in my campaign, the party's abjurer was totally outclassed by the NPC abjurer two levels lower with those counterspell tactics. Guess we just won't agree on this one Seeten

 

[Seeten]

If we remove all the counterspelling "feats" I can concentrate on the good feats, like Fell Animate, Fell Weaken, Arcane Disciple, and Craft: Etc etc. Otherwise, in the "other campaign" all my feats are prespent on just casting my spells. This isnt fun.

 

[Rystil Arden]

If we remove all the counterspelling "feats" I can concentrate on the good feats, like Fell Animate, Fell Weaken, Arcane Disciple, and Craft: Etc etc. Otherwise, in the "other campaign" all my feats are prespent on just casting my spells. This isnt fun.

Oh, I would never take those Counterspelling feats as a PC; I agree, its no fun. But it works.

 

[Technik4]

The armor proficiencies aren't bad for someone like the psion, who isn't restricted (by caster type) from wearing armor but who doesn't start with any armor proficiencies.

Theoretically, psions, wizards, and sorcerers who wanted to wear armor would take the armor proficiencies. In practice, thanks to everyone being able to dual-class (or multiclass), they ended up taking 1 level of fighter, ranger, or barbarian - at least, in every game I've ever played.

Something like this might get taken as a feat:

Armor Aptitude
You feel natural in a suit of armor.
Prerequisite: You may not choose an armor that is more than 1 category higher (Light, Medium, Heavy) than what you can already wear. If you do not have any armor pforiciency, you must choose a Light armor.
Benefit: Pick a specific type of armor. If you do not have proficiency with that armor, you become proficient. You gain suffer -1 Armor Check Penalty and reduce the spell failure chance by 5% when wearing that type of armor (Spell Failure chances cannot be reduced below 5%).
Special: This feat may be taken more than once, each time you must choose a different armor.

Run! A wizard in Leather Armor is laying waste to the village!

Technik

 

[the Lorax]

GRrrrr.... Me hates RUN

 

[Capellan]

As many have noted already on this very thread, NOBODY wears medium armor. So sleeping in your medium armor...well, my fighters all wear plate, so this does nothing for that

My fighters wear full plate when they are awake, too. But if I'm getting ambushed while I'm asleep, I'd rather be in a breastplate than the nothing-at-all you apparently favour

High-level fighters have feats to burn. Endurance + bag of holding + magical breastplate = 24 hour protection.

It's a damn sight better feat than Run, anyway

 

[Seeten]

I'll be voting for Run the very moment Endurance goes away, I assure you.