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(Rumor) Disney Stars Wars Could Be Removed from Canon (or simply ignored)

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Apparently it was Kathleen Kennedy's idea to build Galaxy's Edge in the Sequel era. Business wise it wasn't a bad plan, since you'd imagine getting tons of new fans. And for what its worth, the place itself is pretty era-agnostic, you just need to change out the First Order Storm Troopers and maybe the satellite dish on the Falcon and boom! You can be in a different era. Heck, they started to parade Darth Vader there. The rides themselves are actually pretty popular, regardless of the popularity or not of the movie (Rise of the Resistance is an incredible piece of dark ride technology and I want to ride it one day!). Galaxy's Edge had a rough start but it's actually a success, probably the best thing to come out of the sequel trilogy really.

....the whole massive and spectacular Rise of the Resistance ride, not the mention all the first order stuff ... that wouldn't be easy to re-tool! But I look forward to a day when we can all go to themeparks again without worrying about, you know, dying.
 

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Undrave

Hero
If that's really your opinion, what are you even doing on a forum like this.... ;)

I LIKE canon, but I'm not gonna lose sleep if it changes. I'm also far more likely to just accept 'it's a different continuity' as an excuse and just move on.

Like, people here get bent out of shape because of adding the Magic settings to the 'DnD Multiverse' messes with both 'canon' and I'm just here like "Oh cool, Theros!",
 

Undrave

Hero
....the whole massive and spectacular Rise of the Resistance ride, not the mention all the first order stuff ... that wouldn't be easy to re-tool! But I look forward to a day when we can all go to themeparks again without worrying about, you know, dying.

I don't think they need to retool Rise of the Resistance. No one's gonna mind except pedantic nerds. They can have whatever walk around characters they want, maybe even doing a daily rotation. You can meet Darth Vader and Kylo Ren on the same day already :p
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
I don't think they need to retool Rise of the Resistance.

I agree! That's why I think the whole theory linked-to by the OP is BS.

At this point, more young people are fans of Baby Yoda and Rey than care about fidelity to the movies from the 70s and early 80s, which will probably get warnings slapped on them anyway (caution: May contain distrubing images of proto-incest and slavery, among other problematic issues, not to mention racist stereotypes depicted by aliens and problematic gay stereotypes with C3P0).
 

Undrave

Hero
I agree! That's why I think the whole theory linked-to by the OP is BS.

At this point, more young people are fans of Baby Yoda and Rey than care about fidelity to the movies from the 70s and early 80s, which will probably get warnings slapped on them anyway (caution: May contain distrubing images of proto-incest and slavery, among other problematic issues, not to mention racist stereotypes depicted by aliens and problematic gay stereotypes with C3P0).

I think it's BS to think Disney would ever come out and say their movies were non-canon... But as a marketing strategy, focusing on stuff like the Mandalorian and ignoring the sequel era? That totally makes sense to me. Just like the MCU totally ignores that one Hulk movie but never went out of its way to expunge it from canon (to say nothing of various retcons over the years). You promote your success and ignore the flubs and move on.

I think the 'non-canon' thing is more of a philosophy for a certain faction from LucasFilms, more than anything else.

And Baby Yoda is popular yes, but Rey? Eeeh... I dunno how much...
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
I think it's BS to think Disney would ever come out and say their movies were non-canon... But as a marketing strategy, focusing on stuff like the Mandalorian and ignoring the sequel era? That totally makes sense to me. Just like the MCU totally ignores that one Hulk movie but never went out of its way to expunge it from canon (to say nothing of various retcons over the years). You promote your success and ignore the flubs and move on.

I think the 'non-canon' thing is more of a philosophy for a certain faction from LucasFilms, more than anything else.

And Baby Yoda is popular yes, but Rey? Eeeh... I dunno how much...

These movies that certain elements of the fanbase think are so unpopular? They are:

Nos. 4, 14, and 32 all-time in box office.

TFA is no. 10, all-time adjusted for inflation.

These are incredibly popular movies, even if the last one underperformed. And that's considering that they don't do that well in China.

And from my anecdotal experience, Rey is insanely popular with children and young teens.

Plus Disney has already invested heavily in major theme park attractions based on this. So, I mean, sure. Some mean fanboys on the internet could be right. Or maybe they are completely, 100% totally wrong, like they always are.
 

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Beyond lamenting the $ wasted on tickets for the Force & Last (I saw Rise for free - well, I bought the popcorn, but I would've done that for whatever movie we'd seen) I don't really care what they do concerning #7-9.
And since I'm unlikely to ever go to a Disney park I have no real concern what they do with their SW rides.
 


Undrave

Hero
Oh, and if we're gonna complain about canon, I want to complain that the Ewoks movies were erased too.

These movies that certain elements of the fanbase think are so unpopular? They are:

Nos. 4, 14, and 32 all-time in box office.

TFA is no. 10, all-time adjusted for inflation.

These are incredibly popular movies, even if the last one underperformed. And that's considering that they don't do that well in China.

And from my anecdotal experience, Rey is insanely popular with children and young teens.

Plus Disney has already invested heavily in major theme park attractions based on this. So, I mean, sure. Some mean fanboys on the internet could be right. Or maybe they are completely, 100% totally wrong, like they always are.

James Cameron's Avatar sat at #1 of the box office for a LONG time and yet nobody was collecting Avatar merchandise. Everybody went to see that movie and yet it left almost no footprint on pop culture except blue alien jokes. Box office scores are good (though it depends on how much you spent to begin with, and Star Wars probably has a HUUUUGE marketing budget), especially if you want bragging rights, but my own experience is that sequel merchandise is just a lot of pegwarmers.

But I'm glad kids enjoy Rey! That's good! Kids deserve their own heroes too.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
James Cameron's Avatar sat at #1 of the box office for a LONG time and yet nobody was collecting Avatar merchandise. Everybody went to see that movie and yet it left almost no footprint on pop culture except blue alien jokes. Box office scores are good (though it depends on how much you spent to begin with, and Star Wars probably has a HUUUUGE marketing budget), especially if you want bragging rights, but my own experience is that sequel merchandise is just a lot of pegwarmers.

Have you been to Animal Kingdom? They have a whole, gorgeous Avatar land.
Did you know that he has four sequels coming?

I'm just pointing out that most people would kill for this kind of failure.

But I'm glad kids enjoy Rey! That's good! Kids deserve their own heroes too.

They do. Although it's still kind of weird to me that there is a certain generation that grew up watching Star Wars cartoons that think of Stormtroopers as the heroes. That is just wrong.
 

Retreater

Legend
The article's source comes across as a whining fanboy in his videos (and I've seen many of them), regularly using politically-charged and sexist criticisms in his statements. He is an unreliable troll.
That said, I personally ignore what I don't like in any hobby or fandom. I don't prefer the prequel trilogies, Clone Wars, or much of the Disney-era Star Wars. I just don't watch them. I'll put on the original trilogy whenever I want and be happy. I'll play my WEG d6 Star Wars RPG and ignore the Fantasy Flight stuff I don't like either.
I encourage everyone else to enjoy the parts of the fandom they like and make Star Wars their own. I don't care what Lucasfilm says is canon, retcons, etc.
 

Undrave

Hero
Have you been to Animal Kingdom? They have a whole, gorgeous Avatar land.
Did you know that he has four sequels coming?

I'm just pointing out that most people would kill for this kind of failure.

Yeah I know about Pandora.

I just think there's a difference between making money at the box office and creating a fandom. Those are two different kind of success if you ask me that don't automatically correlate to one another.

They do. Although it's still kind of weird to me that there is a certain generation that grew up watching Star Wars cartoons that think of Stormtroopers as the heroes. That is just wrong.

Clonetroopers and Stormtroopers are different though!

I encourage everyone else to enjoy the parts of the fandom they like and make Star Wars their own. I don't care what Lucasfilm says is canon, retcons, etc.

Yes!
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Yeah I know about Pandora.

I just think there's a difference between making money at the box office and creating a fandom. Those are two different kind of success if you ask me that don't automatically correlate to one another.

Mmm.

I think that we often hear loud voices of people on the internet, and tend to discount other factors. Personally, I would have done a million things differently with the new movies. But I also respect the fact that there is a segment that will always be unhappy, and that the joy of young children who get to meet Rey at a Disney park overshadow the concerns of some b***-hurt 60 year old angry that Disney didn't follow his script.


Clonetroopers and Stormtroopers are different though!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

They got to you too! ;)
 

Undrave

Hero
Mmm.

I think that we often hear loud voices of people on the internet, and tend to discount other factors. Personally, I would have done a million things differently with the new movies. But I also respect the fact that there is a segment that will always be unhappy, and that the joy of young children who get to meet Rey at a Disney park overshadow the concerns of some b***-hurt 60 year old angry that Disney didn't follow his script.

Sure... at the same time, I've seen people who enjoyed both Force Awakens and The Last Jedi be disappointed by Rise of Skywalker and the box office drop is still pretty significant for a movie that should have been a big deal. A big corporation like Disney won't outright state when stuff is underperforming or a disappointment. They'll just move on. I think what they'll do next with Star Wars will, if nothing else, be interesting. I don't think we'll truly know how well the Sequel Trilogy did for them and what the impact were for MANY years. We can just speculate at this point. We'll have to see when the Sequel memes show up and all the variations on 'They Fly Now.' we get :p (see: "Hello There!")

And my point earlier was that Jame Cameron's Avatar made banks but I don't think it created a fandom per se. For one thing, I don't think Pandora in Animal Kingdom has character greetings :p. That might change if the sequels present an interesting world people will want to explore, however!
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
But I'm glad kids enjoy Rey! That's good! Kids deserve their own heroes too.

I just think there's a difference between making money at the box office and creating a fandom. T

Now, put these two together.

Those kids that like Rey? They will be paying into Disney pockets for decades longer than you or I will at this point. Old people are not the future of fandom.

If we older fans had thought it was perfect, an the kids didn't like it... that would be a problem for the future of the franchise.
 

Undrave

Hero
Now, put these two together.

Those kids that like Rey? They will be paying into Disney pockets for decades longer than you or I will at this point. Old people are not the future of fandom.

If we older fans had thought it was perfect, an the kids didn't like it... that would be a problem for the future of the franchise.

I think it'll be interesting to see in a decade or so what kind of nostalgia there is for these.
 


Yeah, Bounding into Comics isn't exactly a reputable source, nor one without bias.

The chances of the sequels being decanonized are probably less than zero. There's more of a chance of a big-screen adaptation of Droid World happening (which, honestly I'd be all about).

Doomcocks not the most reliable FYI.

Only time he was somewhat accurate he was reporting after spoilers on Reddit
 

Mercurius

Legend
Well again, the article and person they're quoting thinks actually officially de-canonizing the Disney films is unlikely, but that what might happen is they focus on the "Mandaloria era" and thus essentially ignore 7-9. They could then build up different regions of the SW universe and never have to refer to the events of 7-9, even if the timeline advances that far.
 

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