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(Rumor) Disney Stars Wars Could Be Removed from Canon (or simply ignored)

Mercurius

Legend
Read all about it here.

Its a rumor, so don't get your panties in a wad, Disney Star Wars fans.

The interesting -- and more possible/likely -- part is this:

"However, he does indicate there might have been a decision made to render the sequel trilogy moot. He details, “What I also hear that while officially and formally all out striking the Sequel Trilogy from canon may be a long shot, the decision to effectively render it moot may already have been decided higher up in the food chain.”

He elaborates, “Allegedly, the higher-ups have examined the numbers and reportedly don’t feel the sequel trilogy provided the necessary foundation to build anything more upon. Because of that we are unlikely to be seeing any stories taking place in the aftermath of Rise of Skywalker anytime soon.”

“What I’m hearing is that instead it has been pretty much decided that it is the time frame between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens that will be the focal point of the storytelling going forward,” he adds.

Andre then explains, “Within this time frame, there will be an interconnected universe of live-action and animated TV shows and possibly movies, although those are more likely to take place in other eras, but still prior to the time frame of The Force Awakens.”

As for the Sequel Trilogy being moot, Andre states, “So what of the Sequel Trilogy? Well, my understanding is that it might as well have had leprosy, as they won’t go near it.

“It may not be formally and officially removed from canon just yet, but it might as well have been because while it retains its place in canon for now, it will reportedly be treated as if it never existed. And from the chronological perspective of where they are going it still lies in the future,” Andre elaborates.

I have no problem with this (though the Veil stuff sounds a bit silly). I'm, at best, lukewarm on the Disney films. They were relatively fun, but felt like somewhat soul-less fan-fic to me and got progressively worse, imo. By the end of Rise, I was left with the feeling that one of the most iconic stories of my childhood had been tarnished. Woe is me.

But it makes sense to build up the time between RotJ and TFA, ala the Mandalorian, and kind of ignore the Disney films, letting them recede into the rear-view, perhaps off-handedly declaring them as "one possible future."
 

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I'm okay with that but only if we also make the Prequels non-cannon. We can replace them by putting some of the earlier comics and novels back into canon. Oh and Mandelorian is totally allowed in too. Now I am happy. I don't know what any of that has to do with reality, but the thought is nice.
 

Immeril

Explorer
“And if The Terminator franchise taught us anything it is that the future is not set.”: using a Terminator reference to satisfy unhappy fans is nothing more than pandering. Time travel has always been an integral part of Terminator, not so much in Star Wars.
In creating the Legends imprint, Disney wanted to rewrite the continuity while still being able to profit from earlier works. If they had done some minimum of market research, they could have expected backlash from existing fans for disregarding characters such as Mara Jade and Kyle Katarn.
I'm okay with that but only if we also make the Prequels non-cannon. We can replace them by putting some of the earlier comics and novels back into canon. Oh and Mandelorian is totally allowed in too. Now I am happy. I don't know what any of that has to do with reality, but the thought is nice.
AFAIK the prequel trilogy didn't create (major) continuity issues with comics like Tales of the Jedi, or are you (using the word 'earlier') referring to the Marvel comics and the Archie Goodwin newspaper strips?
However, the sequel trilogy disregards Young Jedi Knights, The New Jedi Order, Legacy I and II, ...
It isn't limited to the sequels. Rogue One (even though it was a better movie than any of the sequels) disregards Dark Forces.
 


Eilathen

Explorer
Yeah, I don't think that will happen. I mean I'd love for it to happen (I really hate the final Skywalker trilogy, it's pure and utter garbage, storywise), but that more or less would be the equivalent to Disney admitting they produced shitty material and i can't see that happening.

Although, after they did that with a lot of EU stuff (that is/was a 1000 times better than almost everything Disney did since they bought the franchise), maybe they give Eps7-9 to another "parallel universe" to make it "un-canon"? Why not :p;)
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
I mean, sure, this makes perfect sense ....

assuming that Disney already hadn't spent all that money building attractions at theme parks based on the movies, and selling merchandise, and that these movies made billions, and everything else.

But sure.
 

Plageman

Explorer
Well, what they can do is phase out the importance of the events of the new trilogy and re-focus themselves on other events in the SW universe. That shouldn't be a problem for them since none of the "new generation" is interested in returning for an encore.

They can just make a nice time jump and forget turn it history's notebook footnote.
 

Eilathen

Explorer
Well, what they can do is phase out the importance of the events of the new trilogy and re-focus themselves on other events in the SW universe. That shouldn't be a problem for them since none of the "new generation" is interested in returning for an encore.

They can just make a nice time jump and forget turn it history's notebook footnote.

Which is kind of a shame, imo. The Skywalker Saga could have been such a great Saga. Maybe they should have the guts to just say something like "You know what, Eps 1-3 and Eps 7-9 we can do better (or: is just one of the stories they tell of that time) and we will..." . And then, with what is possible in todays TV, do a several season TV-series deep dive into the material that was so unlovingly handled in Eps 1-3 and Eps 7-9. Do an "Ultimate Skywalker Saga" with more focus on the fall of Anakin and the conclusion of the Saga after Luke with more fresh ideas and more love for the old characters and storyarcs.

But maybe that's just me...
 

Plageman

Explorer
Do an "Ultimate Skywalker Saga" with more focus on the fall of Anakin and the conclusion of the Saga after Luke with more fresh ideas and more love for the old characters and storyarcs.
Anakin's story has already been expanded greatly through the Clone Wars tv series. Heck you could even roll in Rebels with its Darth Vader arcs. Luke and Leia could still be part of a "cinematic" universe through the same sort of initiative; TV Series, comics and novels can fill that gap.

However...

With where we find these characters in the Force Awakens makes it complicated to create something interesting since they are set for a "failure" narrative with no greater story to tell (there is nothing akin to the clone wars in the time gap).

Still what I noticed with The Mandalorian, Star Wars Rebels, and even with Resistance, it's that these days SW stories are more interesting when not seen through the eyes of the "movie" protagonists. Since we have no idea of what their arcs are going to be you can genuinely be intrigued by their journeys...
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I liked Episodes 7-9. I am not a fan of 1-3. I don't think "erasing from canon" is a step they'd take with anything that's actually hit the screen (big or small). I think setting aside the Expanded Universe was actually a good idea. Not that there weren't good stories in there, but having so much canon that the overall mass market isn't familiar with is problematic for storytelling.

If we take for granted for a moment that they are making decisions about what period of Star Wars continuity is going to get more attention, I am by no means convinced that reception of the most recent movies is (or should be) the main driver.

I think the main driver is that the new trilogy (while I liked it) doesn't do much to set up future story. It is simply easier to find interesting story hooks in the gaps between the trilogies.
 

Eilathen

Explorer
Anakin's story has already been expanded greatly through the Clone Wars tv series. Heck you could even roll in Rebels with its Darth Vader arcs. Luke and Leia could still be part of a "cinematic" universe through the same sort of initiative; TV Series, comics and novels can fill that gap.

Agreed. But what I'm saying is just wish full thinking anyway. But i still like to dream ;) And when i dream, I'm not satisfied with even the Clone Wars development (although i admit that imo, the two animated series Clone Wars and Rebels, is some of the best SW we have seen so far, period!) and its depth. Because the main focal point and most interesting part of Anakin's journey was not done in CW, unfortuantely. It was canceled too early. I always wonder what could have been if Disney hadn't shown up and we had seen a "natural" conclusion to the CW instead of the stunted one we got now.
But as said, my dream would be for a real life tv series done for the Anakin arc and then a continuation of the Skywalker story after that is done.
 
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Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
I am not sure I would ever take information from a person with such a dumb name as sound.

Even if I did, I think that opens a box of really terrible precedent. I don't really want time travel in Star Wars. I REALLY don't want them to be able to just hand-wave some force option to invalidate any of the cannon they are building.

And personally if there were to be a whole trilogy blotted out by Force-time stuff... it would be the Prequels. Dear god, get rid of the prequels, but then that invalidates everything that came after. So it is dumb, and will probably just end up making more people disheartened.

They put out some movies people didn't universally enjoy. Deal with it. I dealt with it too when they three I thought were rubbish came out, and I still remained a pretty staunch fan.
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
Can we go back to the original versions of 4-5, add something like the ewoks cooking up stormtroopers at the end in 6, keep Rogue 1, and then nuke the rest? (Not a fan of 1-3 or 7, 8 was ok, didn't see 9).

In general, as an Avengers fan since 1981, I'm used to treating stories I don't like as apocryphal. If nothing else, I'll continue to do that with these.
 


Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Can we go back to the original versions of 4-5, add something like the ewoks cooking up stormtroopers at the end in 6, keep Rogue 1, and then nuke the rest? (Not a fan of 1-3 or 7, 8 was ok, didn't see 9).

In general, as an Avengers fan since 1981, I'm used to treating stories I don't like as apocryphal. If nothing else, I'll continue to do that with these.

If you think about it, the entire Star Wars movie canon is pretty much just an odd-numbered Star Trek movie.
 

Undrave

Hero
I think it's very likely they won't touch the era. Declaring the movies 'non-canon' would be a waste of time, because only nerds care about canon.

Canon is overrated anyway.

Doomcocks not the most reliable FYI.

Only time he was somewhat accurate he was reporting after spoilers on Reddit

He usually pretty upfront about rumours being unsubstantiated, at least. He's just trying to get views for his Youtube channel.

The Skywalker Saga could have been such a great Saga.

Instead it's now the Palpatine Saga.

I mean, sure, this makes perfect sense ....

assuming that Disney already hadn't spent all that money building attractions at theme parks based on the movies, and selling merchandise, and that these movies made billions, and everything else.

But sure.

Apparently it was Kathleen Kennedy's idea to build Galaxy's Edge in the Sequel era. Business wise it wasn't a bad plan, since you'd imagine getting tons of new fans. And for what its worth, the place itself is pretty era-agnostic, you just need to change out the First Order Storm Troopers and maybe the satellite dish on the Falcon and boom! You can be in a different era. Heck, they started to parade Darth Vader there. The rides themselves are actually pretty popular, regardless of the popularity or not of the movie (Rise of the Resistance is an incredible piece of dark ride technology and I want to ride it one day!). Galaxy's Edge had a rough start but it's actually a success, probably the best thing to come out of the sequel trilogy really.

The movies made money but we don't know how much PROFIT they made, since we don't know how much the reshoots for Rise of Skywalker cost.

And the merchandise? Yeah it's not selling that well. There's barely any demand for Sequel Merch.
 



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