Ryan Dancey & AEG Part Ways Following AI Comments

COO says that AI could make any of the company's games.
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Ryan Dancey, the Chief Operating Officer of boardgame publisher Alderac Entertainment Group, no longer works for the company, following statements on social media where he claimed that AI could make most of the company's board games, and that D&D and Magic: the Gathering were the only new forms of gameplay in his lifetime. After another poster on LinkedIn claimed that "AI wouldn't come up with Tiny Towns or Flip Seven or Cubitos because it doesn't understand the human element of fun", Dancey responded that he had zero reason to believe that AI could not do such a thing.

"I have zero reason to believe that an Al couldn't come up with Tiny Towns or Flip Seven or Cubitos. I can prompt any of several Als RIGHT NOW and get ideas for games as good as those. The gaming industry doesn't exist because humans create otherwise unobtainable ideas. It exists because many many previous games exist, feed into the minds of designers, who produce new variants on those themes. People then apply risk capital against those ideas to see if there's a product market fit. Sometimes there is, and sometimes there is not. (In fact, much more often than not).

Extremely occasionally (twice in my lifetime: D&D and Magic: the Gathering) a human has produced an all new form of gaming entertainment. Those moments are so rare and incandescent that they echo across decades.

Game publishing isn't an industry of unique special ideas. It's an industry about execution, marketing, and attention to detail. All things Als are great at."
- Ryan Dancey​

The Cardboard Herald, a boardgame reviews channel, responded yesterday on BlueSky that "As you may have seen, [AEG] CEO Ryan Dancey stated that AI can make games “just as good as Tiny Towns or Flip 7 or Cubitos”, completely missing the inexorable humanity involved.We’ve spent 10 years celebrating creatives in the industry. Until he’s gone we will not work with AEG."

Today, AEG's CEO John Zinser stated "Today I want to share that Ryan Dancey and AEG have parted ways.This is not an easy post to write. Ryan has been a significant part of AEG’s story, and I am personally grateful for the years of work, passion, and intensity he brought to the company. We have built a lot together. As AEG moves into its next chapter, leadership alignment and clarity matter more than ever. This transition reflects that reality.Our commitment to our designers, partners, retailers, and players remains unchanged. We will continue building great games through collaboration, creativity, and trust."

Dancey himself posted "This morning [John Zinser] and I talked about the aftermath of my post yesterday about the ability of AI to create ideas for games. He's decided that it's time for me to move on to new adventures. Sorry to have things end like this. I've enjoyed my 10 years at AEG. I wish the team there the best in their future endeavors.

I believe we're at a civilizational turning point. That who we are and how we are is going to change on the order of what happened during the Agricultural and Industrial Revolutions; and it's past time we started talking about it and not being afraid to discuss the topic. Talking about AI, being honest about what it can and cannot do, and thinking about the implications is something we have to begin to do in a widespread way. Humans have a unique creative spark that differentiates us and makes us special and we should celebrate that specialness as we experience this epic change.

For the record: I do not believe that AI will replace the work talented game designer/developers do, nor do I think it is appropriate to use AI to replace the role of designer/developers in the publication of tabletop games. During my time at AEG I developed and implemented polices and contracts that reflect those views. It's important to me that you know what I believe and what I don't believe on this particular topic, despite what you may have read elsewhere."

Whatever your position on generative LLMs and the like, when the COO of your company announces publicly that all of the company’s games could have been made by AI, it’s a problem. UK readers may recall when major jewelry chain Ratners’ CEO Gerald Ratner famously announced that the products sold in his stores were “trash”, instantly wiping half a billion pounds from the company’s value back in the early 1990s. The company was forced to close stores and rebrand to Signet Group. At the time the Ratners Group was the world's biggest jewelry retailer. Ratner himself was forced to resign in 1992. The act of making a damaging statement about the quality of your own company’s products became known as “doing a Ratner”.

Dancey was VP of Wizards of the Coast when the company acquired TSR, the then-owner of Dungeons & Dragons. He is also known for being the architect of the Open Game License. Dancey has worked as Chief Operating Officer for AEG for 10 years, and was responsible for the day-to-day operations of the company, second-in-command after the CEO, John Zinser.
 

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I’m so confused - what do people think is going to happen when everyone decides they’re going to be a plumber or a pipefitter when they grow up? Is there some sort of huge surge in construction that’s going to support this sudden on-rush of blue collar jobs?

Trades are already in demand, if (big if) everything goes as planned, then expansion/building should only increase.

If instead, our society and financial systems collapse, it wont matter anyway, but I sure wouldnt start out now going to school for anything tech, so what do you do? The Arts degree? How about some sociology? Philosophy? lol

Nah. If I was in high school, I would be going into an apprenticeship right now, building out all the data centers and power plants.
 

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Anything I could suggest would be argued with. So just pick your own favorite beautiful, well-made product (that isn't a one-off item hand-crafted by love alone). iPhone 4? Manual transmission 2003 BMW 330i? Robert Kramer chef's knife? Vessl coffee grinder? Barr chisels? I don't know what you're into; what do you love?

I guarantee the people ultimately responsible for the design and quality of those products were trying to make money, meaning not just get paid their salary but trying to make more money by building a better product. Because they recognize that great products sell more.
I have difficulty buying your guarantee. I'll argue that people who are responsible includes all the people who actually built the products, and who provided the materials the products were made of, that they have a multitude of motivations, and that granting pride of place to one motivation among many deforms our understanding of how things actually work.

EDIT: to add missing comma.
 

It's an interesting read, but it's no different than all the other industries that were destroyed before them. Look at the poor luddites still the butt of jokes and used as an attack, but their livelihoods really were destroyed, everything they feared came to pass. A really rough series of decades followed for many workers and creatives.

It is interesting that in the USA students are setting up luddite clubs now. Maybe history will right the wrong that was done to them :)

The only hope most creative's have (such as artists and game designers) is if people won't buy AI products, but I doubt that will happen. It's the same as the buy local/American campaigns that never really saved manufacturing jobs. Eventually the product will be good enough and it will be much cheaper.
Too true. So long as the product does the job the buyer wants it to do, price is an overriding factor.
 


Anything I could suggest would be argued with. So just pick your own favorite beautiful, well-made product (that isn't a one-off item hand-crafted by love alone). iPhone 4? Manual transmission 2003 BMW 330i? Robert Kramer chef's knife? Vessl coffee grinder? Barr chisels? I don't know what you're into; what do you love?

I guarantee the people ultimately responsible for the design and quality of those products were trying to make money, meaning not just get paid their salary but trying to make more money by building a better product. Because they recognize that great products sell more.
Was profit the primary motivator for creating those products? I'd say that factors in.
 

Trades are already in demand, if (big if) everything goes as planned, then expansion/building should only increase.

If instead, our society and financial systems collapse, it wont matter anyway, but I sure wouldnt start out now going to school for anything tech, so what do you do? The Arts degree? How about some sociology? Philosophy? lol

Nah. If I was in high school, I would be going into an apprenticeship right now, building out all the data centers and power plants.
I have to seriously question that thinking in anything but the short term because while immediate demands suggest those jobs are safe, I’m not seeing the sustainable growth that is going to warrant those jobs.
 

I have to seriously question that thinking in anything but the short term because while immediate demands suggest those jobs are safe, I’m not seeing the sustainable growth that is going to warrant those jobs.

Sure, so what's the play? Humanities (lol), Health Care, sure, I wouldn't go into Education personally.

Infrastructure will continue to need to be built, or at least maintained.

Or if the supposed growth doesn't happen? Financial ruin soon?

Whatever, I'm hoping to be on a farm, just like the OpenAI CEO hopes for. Odd that...
 

Sure, so what's the play? Humanities (lol), Health Care, sure, I wouldn't go into Education personally.

Infrastructure will continue to need to be built, or at least maintained.

Or if the supposed growth doesn't happen? Financial ruin soon?

Whatever, I'm hoping to be on a farm, just like the OpenAI CEO hopes for. Odd that...
I would happily share my insight if I had any inkling what the play was, short of learn to live on a lot less going forward.
 



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