Scroll of Summon and Augment Summoning feat

[Dracazar]

Hi,

A cleric has Scribe Scroll and Augment Summoning feats.

He write a scroll of Summon Monster II.

The summoned creature has +4 Str / +4 Con?

Thanks

 

[Pinotage]

I'd say yes. The description of Augment Summoning states 'Each creature you conjure with a summon spell' so I reckon it can be conjured in any way, via wand, spell or scroll.

Pinotage

 

[Storm Raven]

I'd say yes. The description of Augment Summoning states 'Each creature you conjure with a summon spell' so I reckon it can be conjured in any way, via wand, spell or scroll.

I'd say no. When you use a magic item, in most cases it is not you casting the spell, it is the item. If it was you, then your save DCs would be used, and level based effects would be based upon your level. They are not. When you conjure an elemental with a scroll, you are conjuring it with a scroll, not a summon spell. It is close, but not quite there.

 

[Cabral]

I'd say no. When you use a magic item, in most cases it is not you casting the spell, it is the item. If it was you, then your save DCs would be used, and level based effects would be based upon your level. They are not. When you conjure an elemental with a scroll, you are conjuring it with a scroll, not a summon spell. It is close, but not quite there.

The problem is the character with the feat created the scroll ... It's not kicking in when he uses the scroll, it kicked when he created it.

I'd say it applies.

 

[Storm Raven]

The problem is the character with the feat created the scroll ... It's not kicking in when he uses the scroll, it kicked when he created it.

If you have the feat Spell Focus (Necromancy) and create a scroll of ray of enfeeblement, is the save DC of the scroll increased? No. Normally, feats don't affect item creation, except for the metamagic feats (and then only when the caster chooses to raise the level of the scribed spell to accomodate the feat).

A character scribing a scroll isn't conjuring a creature with a summon spell. He is crafting a magic item. The spell is used during crafting, but nothing is actually conjured at that time. Later, when the scroll is used, the user isn't casting the spell, he is using the scroll.

I'd still say no.

 

[Li Shenron]

Later, when the scroll is used, the user isn't casting the spell, he is using the scroll.

That he isn't casting the spell is at least debatable...

 

[diaglo]

That he isn't casting the spell is at least debatable...

b/c it has to be on his spell list. and if a higher lvl has to make a caster level check to use the scroll.


what's the debate?

 

[Storm Raven]

b/c it has to be on his spell list. and if a higher lvl has to make a caster level check to use the scroll.

By the description of scrolls in the DMG, a user "activates" a scroll, which is like casting a spell, but not actually casting a spell.

 

[Storm Raven]

That he isn't casting the spell is at least debatable...

Only if you engage in some really tortured logic.

 

[Pinotage]

Only if you engage in some really tortured logic.

The Augment Summoning feat says nothing about casting a spell. It says at any time the person with the feat 'conjures' a creature via a summon spell. A wand 'conjures' and so does a 'scroll' - it says nothing about casting. And I'd certainly argue that wand and scrolls contain spells, so the 'summon spell' part is valid as well. A scroll contains a summon spell, and is used to conjure, which it does when reading the scroll. Nowhere does it mention casting.

Pinotage