Scroll/Wand of Spiritual Weapon?

[moritheil]

?? I don't see any references to the caster's BAB or abilities in that spell. The spell effect & duration is dependent on the character's level--which, in a spell description, refers to caster level unless specifically stated otherwise*. So the spell would last one minute and give a +2 to AC ...

* See, for example, Tenser's Transformation, which states that the caster's BAB becomes equal to her "character level".

This spell creates a shimmering, magical field around the touched creature that averts attacks. The spell grants the subject a +2 deflection bonus to AC, with an additional +1 to the bonus for every six levels you have (maximum +5 deflection bonus at 18th level).

I am, of course, referring to the principle Hyp indirectly suggested whereby "you" in the text refers to you, independent of caster levels. Looking back at your posts, I do not see you espousing this principle of dichotomy prior to this thread, either - but thanks for clarifying your stance.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I am, of course, referring to the principle Hyp indirectly suggested whereby "you" in the text refers to you, independent of caster levels. Looking back at your posts, I do not see you espousing this principle of dichotomy prior to this thread, either - but thanks for clarifying your stance.

Christian quoted the rule correctly:
Caster Level: A spell’s power often depends on caster level, which is defined as the caster’s class level for the purpose of casting a particular spell. A creature with no classes has a caster level equal to its Hit Dice unless otherwise specified. The word “level” in the spell lists that follow always refers to caster level.

Shield of Faith's reference to 'levels you have' includes the word 'level' in a spell listing, and thus refers to caster level.

-Hyp.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Does a 12th level cleric's SW, when cast at CL 1 (see PHB pg. 171), have a BAB of +0 or +9/+4? When a Cleric 1/Paladin 19 casts this spell, does it have a BAB of +0 or +19/+14/+9/+4?

I might be able to answer that if you first tell me how a 12th level cleric at CL 1 per pg. 171 or a cleric 1/paladin 19 can cast spiritual weapon (assuming that's the spell you mean by SW).

I am also shocked almost beyond words that Hyp would agree with that.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I might be able to answer that if you first tell me how a 12th level cleric at CL 1 per pg. 171 or a cleric 1/paladin 19 can cast spiritual weapon (assuming that's the spell you mean by SW).

Yes, yes. Substitute CL3 and Clr3/Pal17, and BAB +2.

-Hyp.

 

[Pinotage]

Yup - I agree with Christian. It will use the Wisdom (non-emulated) of the person using the item, and his BAB.

-Hyp.

I don't understand why the save DCs are affected in one way, and other properties are affected in another way. Isn't this an inconsistancy? One would imagine that the scroll and wand rules would 'trump' the reference to 'you' in the text based on the precedent set by other similar rules, notably save DC.

Pinotage

 

[Infiniti2000]

Yes, yes. Substitute CL3 and Clr3/Pal17, and BAB +2.

Okay, then, I agree, too!

I don't understand why the save DCs are affected in one way, and other properties are affected in another way. Isn't this an inconsistancy? One would imagine that the scroll and wand rules would 'trump' the reference to 'you' in the text based on the precedent set by other similar rules, notably save DC.

If a wizard 11/fighter 9 with a Dex of 15 reads a scroll of disintegrate, what's the ranged attack bonus? Is it +5 for a wizard 11 assuming Dex of 10, or +16 for total BAB + dex 15?

Same logic/rule applies, doesn't it?

 

[Pinotage]

If a wizard 11/fighter 9 with a Dex of 15 reads a scroll of disintegrate, what's the ranged attack bonus? Is it +5 for a wizard 11 assuming Dex of 10, or +16 for total BAB + dex 15?

Same logic/rule applies, doesn't it?

I think I can agree about the BAB part, but not so sure about the Wis part, given the save DC is set by minimum Wisdom.

Thanks.

Pinotage

 

[moritheil]

This does seem inconsistent somehow, but I agree that it is a proper interpretation of the rules.

 

[Infiniti2000]

I think I can agree about the BAB part, but not so sure about the Wis part, given the save DC is set by minimum Wisdom.

IMO there's no logical difference between using the person's Wisdom bonus on a SW and using the person's Dexterity bonus on a disintegration. They're both simple attack rolls.

My PC cleric happens to have Zen Archery. Assuming you allow the feat, if my PC read a scroll of searing light, what Wisdom bonus would he use for the attack roll?

 

[Pyrex]

Obviously his own.

The subtle difference lies in that with SW the spell is doing the striking, not the Character.