Scroll Writing Question?

Aluvial

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Can someone give specific intructions about how many scrolls you can write in one day?

Is it:

1) You can write only one scroll a day...

or

2) You can write up to 1000 gp's worth of scrolls each day?

Please leave the reference (book, page #) for this rule...

I'm afraid I'm going to have to show my player this one in print!

(The best I could find was that you were allowed to make one magic item per day with the craft magical item rules in the DMG))

Alvuial
 

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You know, I always thought it was 1 scroll per day. But checking out the rules, it seems like you can scribe up to 1000 gp worth of scrolls per day.

This seems rather odd, though ... it means a character with 1000 gold could scribe 40 1st level spell scrolls in a day.

Wow. That can't be right...
 

It seems that almost everyone agrees that you can only make "one item worth 1,000GP or less" in a single day. The question that this begs is whether a scroll with multiple spells on it is considered a single item. If it is a single item, the question then becomes whether you can tear it apart after you write it so that you now have multiple scrolls.

I don't deal with these issues in my campaign. We have a house rule that you can scribe a number of Spell Levels in scrolls equal to your primary spellcasting stat each day, not to exceed 1,000GP total. The same goes for potions.
 

DMG, page 245,

"Scribing a scroll requires one day per each 1000 gp value of the completed scroll."

This implies one scroll ("a" and "scroll" not "scrolls"), but you can have multiple spells on one scroll.

Greg
 

My would argue one "scroll" per day because of the language of the text...

From the DMG pg, 241 Creating Magical Items and from the DMG pg, 245 Creating Scrolls it implies that a scroll is one item.

If you could assume if it were one item that you could create one per day...

Multiple spells on a scroll require that you use more parchment, and extra foot per scroll. This extra length needs to be supported after a certain size... ((DMG pg, 199, Scrolls ))

Perhaps if each spell were termed a "scroll" then again it would be one per day...

Aluvial
 


Seems to me a "scroll" is defined:

DMGp.199:
SCROLLS
A scroll is a spell (or collection of spells) that has been stored in written form.

If this is the definition of a scroll, then:

PHBp.84:
SCRIBE SCROLL
...Scribing a scroll takes 1 day for each 1,000gp in it's base price.

Seems kinda clear. That said, scribing a spell in a spellbook:

PHB.p155:
Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook
Time: The process requires 1 day plus 1 day per spell level.
...Space in the Spellbook: A spell takes up 2 pages of the spellbook per level.
...Materials and Costs: Materials for writing the spell...cost 100gp per page.
Replacing and Copying Spellbooks
...Duplicating an existing spellbook... The time requirement and cost per page are halved.

What does this mean? Spellbooks are expensive and take
lots of time:

12th lvl caster - 6th level spell:

Scroll: 900gp (6th lvl spell * 12th level caster * 12.5gp) and 1 day
Spellbook: 1200gp (12 pages) and 7 days

Why the comparison? Well, lets look at lower level spells:

5th level caster - 3rd level spell (say, haste)

Scroll: 187.5gp and 5 spells in a day vs
Spellbook: 600gp and takes 4 days

The scroll scriber can make 3 spells on one scroll in one day for
the same cost as scribing haste into your book in four
days.

Now - Is this a major problem? At 3rd level a Wizard
starting gold is 2,700gp (or 80 1st level spells and 40
2nd level spells - scribed in only 2 days no less; Of course,
these would be unmanagebly large scrolls). Additionally,
you would pay the cost in XP.

Conclusion: I would say you need to limit the physical
size of a scroll to a manageable level - say six or fewer
pages/feet.

All of the above said, the SRD has a few discrepancies
to the DMG:

SRD:http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd/srdmagicitemsscrolls.html:
SCROLLS
A spell on a scroll can be used only once. The writing vanishes from the scroll when the spell is activated. Using a scroll is basically like casting a spell.
Physical Description
A scroll has an AC of 9, 1 hit point, a hardness of 0, and a break DC of 8.

So, the physical description does not mention multiple
spells on one scroll. However, check your 3e modules, you
will find bad guys running around with scrolls of multiple
spells.

So, kind of a long post - but I really wanted to look into this
topic. I would go with the physical limitation before the
financial.

Of course, I could be wrong. Your DM is the final judge
after all.

~D
 
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daemonslye said:

So, the physical description does not mention multiple
spells on one scroll. However, check your 3e modules, you
will find bad guys running around with scrolls of multiple
spells....

... Your DM is the final judge
after all.

~D

I'm the DM and I'm looking for the correct rule before I start house ruling on it...

The DMG on pg. 199, right column, states that you can have extra spells on a scroll, and that it takes an extra foot of parchment, vellum, whatever, to write the spell down... After three or more they suggest reinforcing rods...

I suppose I still need the answer to the question...

How many scrolls can you make in one day?
I think it is implying one, but I'm not sure...

Aluvial
 

IMC, one spell=one scroll. If there are three spells on a scroll, then to me its really three scrolls taped together. There is no benefit crafting-wise to put multiple spells on a scroll.
I let the adventurers scribe no more than one scroll per day, with some high level spells taking longer to scribe (the 1000gp rule).

Now that I'm actually thinking about it, I might modify this. It doesn't make sense that it takes as long to scribe 1st level scrolls as it does to scribe 5th level scrolls.
 

Magic Item Creation, from the SRD:
Creating an item requires one day per 1,000 gp in the item’s base price, with a minimum of at least one day. Potions are an exception to this rule; they always take just one day to brew.

Emphasis mine.

A player can create at most one scroll per day. Based on a DMG treasure chart (no page # available... IDHMBWM), a scroll can contain up to 6 spells. He'll need to be able to cast each spell (through learning the spells, casting from other scrolls, wands, a wizardly helper, etc.) one time per day in the creation process (even if the scroll will contain more than one instance of a spell).

For example, to create a scroll with 2 true strikes, 2 mage armors, and 2 shields...
Market price: 1 (spell level) x 1 (caster level) x 6 (nbr of spells) * 25 (gold/spell-&-caster levels) = 150 gold.
Scribing price: Market price/2 = 75 gold.
Days: maximum( 1, MarketPrice/1000 ) = 1 day.
Daily spells required: 1 true strike, 1 mage armor, 1 shield.

Of course, parts of this interpretation have been subject to considerable debate on these boards. I guess it's time to start it up again! :D

-AK
 

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