Sell me on Arcana Evolved.

What I liked about removing divine magic was it meant that ANY character class could be a "real" priest.

Which I dislike. :\

...though it wouldn't really diminish my enjoyment of the game enough to prevent me from playing it.
 

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Happy 2000 BTW.

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OH! Sorry...I was puzzled by that...Thanks!

I'm sorely hoping they can restore those missing threads & posts. For some reason, I've been more talkative than usual- I had 2000 posts late last year, and was just a few shy of 4000 when The Great Kerfluffle happened.
 

Dannyalcatraz said:
Which I dislike. :\

...though it wouldn't really diminish my enjoyment of the game enough to prevent me from playing it.

Just require the Priest feat. General feat, available to everybody, makes the character a priest of a religion.
 


Dannyalcatraz said:
I wouldn't make a PC take a feat that essentially (within the confines of AU/AE) only gives someone access to a title.

It gives you a series of skill bonuses in particular situations, too. Within the default AU/AE assumption (that religion is separate from magic and not universally respected), it's about right as a feat, I think. I've seen players with cleric-type concepts go with either a Mage Blade or a Witch and then take the Priest feat, worked decently.

So far as the magic debate goes, I find it weird that everybody's focusing on the 1st level spells. One of the interesting aspects of AU's spell system is that casters (especially Magisters) will tend to use attack spells near their level; the 1st level spells work OK at low levels, but once more effective attack spells become available it's a good idea to adjust spell selection accordingly and blow the low level slots on utilty/healing/buffs/etc. The difference between Mind Stab and Magic Missile isn't so much that the former is useless at 1st level, but rather that a 10th level AU caster probably wouldn't ready MS while a 10th level D&D caster would probably still find MM really useful. Both can bring the pain, they just use different strategies to do so.

IMHO, the main advantage of AU's magic system is that it's a lot more fun to be a caster than in standard D&D. I had great trouble going back to playing a Wizard after running an AU game for a while, I kept on wanting to do cool things with my spell slots which just don't exist in D&D.
 

It gives you a series of skill bonuses in particular situations, too.

It gives you bonuses to 4 skills, but only in relation to persons of the PC's own faith.

Not exactly a feat that screams "Pick me! Pick me!"
 

Dannyalcatraz said:
It gives you bonuses to 4 skills, but only in relation to persons of the PC's own faith.

Not exactly a feat that screams "Pick me! Pick me!"
I think the major interest in playing a priest should be its interaction with other believers.

Beyond that, AE has no trouble allowing you to think your abilities come from the gods (which is the major feature of the D&D Cleric), and roleplay that way (your opinion might even be true, but nobody can prove it.) That's no different form a Cleric, because your God usually doesn't interact directly with you in D&D either, and the rest is pure roleplaying (and picking a few domain spells)

The feat gives you the ability to interact with other faithful. That's even more than the D&D cleric gives you. And it might be notable that there are still a lot of faitful people in the Diamond Throne - there might be no objective truth that gods exist, but the belief is still there. So the feat should be hardly useless.

Beyond that, you can go the route of a Mage Priest (though it admittedly doesn't fit the Cleric archetype) to interact more with "the gods".
 

healers of old was just as much witches and druids and they where men of the cloth.

hell, in many cases, the priests may well cut a person of from proper care as the person that knows how is a heretic or similar non-beliver...
 

Dannyalcatraz said:
It gives you bonuses to 4 skills, but only in relation to persons of the PC's own faith.

Not exactly a feat that screams "Pick me! Pick me!"

True. It only screams "Pick me if you want to play a priest of this religion!"

I have trouble seeing that as bad, sorry.
 

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