Serenity/Firefly Specs for D20 Star Wars

[theripper316]

Does anyone know where i can get the specs/stats for serenity/firefly transport converted for D20 Star Wars????

 

[Verec]

By the standards of d20 Starwars, a Firefly class bulk transport is a cardboard box with wheels and a fan to move it around. It's got no FTL, it's hull is common steel, its engines are based on combined gavity pulse and its power generation is so weak as to make it impossible to mount any kind of upgrades. Best to sell it for scrap when you could have a YT-2400 or somthing instead.

However. . .
Serenity is 63 meters long, firmly in the medium size category. It has a minimum crew of about three people, but one could work in a pinch, if you were real lucky. I would guess it has life support for about 20-30 crew and passengers in an emergency. It's cargo hold is extensive, but we can't make any serious estimates of the lifting weight except that they once moved a herd of cows. Consumables are about a months worth of recyled air and bagged protien, assuming the captain bought them last time you were in port. There are no hyperdrives, and Serenity cannot possibly move above 'Attack' speed. No shields either, and we'll give it the bare minimum of HP a ship of its size can possably have (we should probably lower this actually). No weapons hardpoints round out our design. It's engine design gives it at least a +2 manuvering system. Do not give its hull a DR value, as it is far too weak to merrit such from Star Wars weaponry.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

By the standards of d20 Starwars, a Firefly class bulk transport is a cardboard box with wheels and a fan to move it around. It's got no FTL, it's hull is common steel, its engines are based on combined gavity pulse and its power generation is so weak as to make it impossible to mount any kind of upgrades. Best to sell it for scrap when you could have a YT-2400 or somthing instead.

However. . .
Serenity is 63 meters long, firmly in the medium size category. It has a minimum crew of about three people, but one could work in a pinch, if you were real lucky. I would guess it has life support for about 20-30 crew and passengers in an emergency. It's cargo hold is extensive, but we can't make any serious estimates of the lifting weight except that they once moved a herd of cows. Consumables are about a months worth of recyled air and bagged protien, assuming the captain bought them last time you were in port. There are no hyperdrives, and Serenity cannot possibly move above 'Attack' speed. No shields either, and we'll give it the bare minimum of HP a ship of its size can possably have (we should probably lower this actually). No weapons hardpoints round out our design. It's engine design gives it at least a +2 manuvering system. Do not give its hull a DR value, as it is far too weak to merrit such from Star Wars weaponry.

What stats would you give if it was "upgraded" to Starwars tech, but with the shown interior and exterior design?
I think that's more like what the OP would want to know. I would try to assign stats myself, but unfortunately, I am not famiilar with the current D20 Starwars space combat/ship design rules)

(By the way, even not upgraded, judging from the movie, a Firefly class transport could support a turret or gun- even if it was manned "externally" )

 

[kenobi65]

(By the way, even not upgraded, judging from the movie, a Firefly class transport could support a turret or gun- even if it was manned "externally" )

Sort of...there's a difference between strapping an anti-aircraft gun to the hull for a single shot, and actually having a hardpoint which can be used for the permanent installation of a weapon.

I don't have my books in front of me, but, if you were to try to create the moral equivalent of a Firefly in the SW universe, you're probably looking at something like the Berlioz medium transport, or maybe an Acton transport. Average hull at best, limited (or no) shields, pokey speed for both sublight and hyperdrive. While there's no weapons on a Firefly (and apparently that's not that uncommon in the Firefly universe), in SW, that's practically a death sentence, so you'd probably be looking at mounting a single, minimally-effective cannon (no more than 4d10x2).

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Sort of...there's a difference between strapping an anti-aircraft gun to the hull for a single shot, and actually having a hardpoint which can be used for the permanent installation of a weapon.

I don't have my books in front of me, but, if you were to try to create the moral equivalent of a Firefly in the SW universe, you're probably looking at something like the Berlioz medium transport, or maybe an Acton transport. Average hull at best, limited (or no) shields, pokey speed for both sublight and hyperdrive. While there's no weapons on a Firefly (and apparently that's not that uncommon in the Firefly universe), in SW, that's practically a death sentence, so you'd probably be looking at mounting a single, minimally-effective cannon (no more than 4d10x2).

Are unshielded freighters common in Starwars? In my experience not, so I would probably give Firefly class ships shields (standard ones, for sure).
Weapons are definitely more common in Starwars than in the Firefly universe, so the starwars equivalent probably would have to be armed. (I think there are a few spaces where you could easily install a laser - the cockpit section seems to have a few antennas that would fit to Starwars Laser cannons.)

I think you might be "underestimating" the Firefly's engines. The "firefly" effect of its accelerationg to interplanetary speed at least give the illusion of "speed", so I'd give it at least average ratings.

Comparing the roles of Serenity in Firefly and the role of the Millenium Falcon in the Starwars movies, I'd assume that Firefly ships are simlar to YT-1300 Transports, but that the Millenium Falcon recieved stronger upgrades for combat and speedthen the Serenity.
Han claims his ship was one of the fastest in the galaxy. No such claims are made for the Serenity.
The Falcon was also fairly capable of surviving a fight with several TIE Fighters. The Serenity had to give up to a single government patrol ship.

 

[Verec]

The Firefly 03 rendered w/ SW tech would be a beast. A lot of the firefly's aft is engine, so thats a lot of hypermatter reactor or whatever ships of that class use for power. It's also plenty of space to mount an engine that could match the acceleration of the MF or even a Star Destroyer. If you think back to the movies, SDs caught up to the MF almost every time they started chasing it in sublight. Those things had some mad strait line acceleration, and I have no doubt that a firefly would be a rough match in terms of engine mass-total mass ratios. Of course, a firefly would be built more toward reliability than anything else. That and the ability to turn around real fast, Crazy Ivans can be useful.
Weapons department, I don't know. I know that the design of a firefly isn't ideal for turrets or fixed weapons. It's got a nice turret location on top true, but I don't know about other weapons. Maybe throw a coulple missile launchers under the bridge, there's space down there. Aft weapons, forget targeting anything through the engine wash. Maybe some auto blasters port and starboard for point defense.
Shields. People may chose to debate this with me, but I am going to say that every ship in Star Wars has some kind of shield, even if its just to knock micro-meteorites out of the way. Combat rated shields that can disperse or deflect the energy of proton torpedos and blaster based weapons, those aren't as common. but a firefly's a fair sized ship, so it needs some protection. Again, its more reliable than it is powerful.
Hyperdrive. . . I think this is where the Firefly-03 in SW would earn its reputation for reliablity. Give it a x2 multiplier drive that almost never fails. Extra safties make it verry difficult to get into accidents as well. I don't know the mechanics well enough to figure this out, but a Firefly should give you plenty of forgiveness with your hyperjumping atics.

And thats all I got.

 

[kenobi65]

Are unshielded freighters common in Starwars? In my experience not, so I would probably give Firefly class ships shields (standard ones, for sure).

Actually, shieldless freighters (particularly the smaller ones) aren't that uncommon. The "stock" YT-1300 light freighter (i.e., the Falcon's model) doesn't have shields. If you look at the Starships of the Galaxy chapter on Space Transports:
- Action IV Bulk Freighter: no shields
- Barloz Medium Freighter: 30 shield points
- Gallofree Medium Transport: 90 shield points
- Corellian YT-2400: 60 shield points

So, while some freighters do have some minimal shields, some don't.

I'd assume that Firefly ships are simlar to YT-1300 Transports, but that the Millenium Falcon recieved stronger upgrades for combat and speed then the Serenity.

While they may play a similar role from a story standpoint, a Firefly-class ship is much bigger than the YT-1300 class. Acc. to the Serenity RPG book, the Serenity is 191 feet long, 128 feet wide, and 53 feet tall. Acc. to the Star Wars RPG book, the YT-1300 is 26.7 meters long (approximately 88 feet, if my math is right). And, think about all the living space in the Serenity, compared to (what little we see) in the Falcon. From a size standpoint, a Firefly is somewhere between a Barloz and a a Gallofree (the "clamshell-shaped" freighter that's used in the evacuation of Hoth in ESB).

And, yeah, the Falcon is seriously tricked-out, compared to a stock YT-1300:

Sublight speed: YT-1300 8 squares, Falcon 12 squares
Hyperdrive: YT-1300 x2, Falcon x0.5
Shields: YT-1300 none, Falcon 90 points
Hull: YT-1300 120 points, Falcon 180 points
Weaponry: YT-1300 1 gun (4d10x2), Falcon 2 guns (6d10x2), plus concussion missiles (9d10x2)

 

[Donovan Morningfire]

Not much help on stats here, but from what I've been reading in comparisons between the Serenity and the Falcon, the former is the family minivan while the latter is a tricked-out hot rod.

As to Verec's comment about engines, bear in mind that those engines require a huge amount of power. Heck, the ion drive on an Imperial-class Star Destroyer would probably be bigger than a Firefly-class ship by itself.

I'm not a huge Firefly/Serenity buff, but from what I've seen of the ship, it's pretty bare-bones in terms of what it can do. In the Star Wars 'verse, it'd likely be a dirt-cheap, no-frills medium frieghter with plenty of living space.