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Serious inquiries only please - 100th level adventure hook and module in development
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Anabstercorian
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Ozmar said:
It's one of the golems in Upper Krust's Immortal Beastiary.
Sage
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Places where I haven't followed the rules:
1. Instant-returning ability in first 2 weapons, this allows me to make the full attack action while only having 2 daggers to throw. As I've already said, I gave it a +10 enhancement bonus price tag which is more than anything in the ELHB, I could up it to +12?
This could be done with a variation of the instant summons spell (9th level?) and would cost 9*17*2,000*0,5 + 100,000 = 253,000 gp
or with a quickened instant summons spell: 11*23*20,000*0,5 + 100,000 = 2,630,000 gp
I think a +10 market price modifier (which raises the price of the weapon with 16,800,000 gp) is more than reasonable.
2. She soul-drinking ability of the first 2 weapons, this is taken from the "specific magic weapon" souldrinker which is priced at 478,335. I've paid over double that for each weapon as a shortcut, though I could probably pay less if I did the math.
3. Ring of very rapid healing, the price for this one I've put at 2,000,000 gp which (as noted) is almost 7 times as much as the equilavent ring of rapid healing in ELHB, which give fast healing 3. The catch is that with my ring you gain it as soon as you put it on, in the original you have to wait 24 hours. This is to bypass the obvious difficulty of having to wait 24 hours every time I pass through an antimagic sphere.
You'll notice I kept all enhancement bonuses under +50.
On alignment: My character is True Neutral, he want's to be good, but is having a hard time of it. Thanks to my PrC neither me nor my equipment give out any auras, including alignment.
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DM-Rocco
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Ozmar said:I think you draw the wrong conclusions from the results of this. Sure, you probably can do 400,000 points of damage. But that does not make time stop broken, because the tactics you are using to deliver this much damage are very poor tactics. I believe that the wizard is required to devote way too much of his resources to deliver the payoff, and it is not a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination, which makes the tactic subpar.
Anyway... I am tired. Kill time stop if you like, but I recommend that you allow it and wrestle with all the implications. If nothing else, it will be good practice for thinking about all the OTHER thousands of possible tricks (epic spells, nasty spell combos, etc...) that a 100th level wizard might have up his robes.
Ozmar the Weary DM
[Edited for clarity - removed (some) spelling errors.]
I am weary of the topic too, but just a quick last note, you will never have to do 400,000 points of damage. While the tatic many seem poor, the point is it is possible. If that is possible, it is probable that your wizard can an will deal out at least 20,000 a round, enough to kill a god in one round. That would not even begin to tax his magic reserve, the example of 400,000 points of damage was just for over kill.
Now do you think the wizard is broken
DM-Rocco
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Sage said:
Okay, first thing is first, you did a good job on remaking him. That said, a few concerns.
1) you know that you have two items that increase INT with an enhancement bonus? You can have two, but they don't stack. If one is for back up, that is fine, I plan on something like that too.
Sage said:
2) I don't see anything wrong with these boots, but I would like to see how you came up with the price. In 3.5 hasted items last about ten rounds or as per spell, so I would like to see what you used as a base for Continuous haste.
Sage said:
3)Again, I don't have a problem with invisibility at will, but would like to see what you used as a base pricing guide.
Sage said:
4) No way, are you nuts!!! Just kidding. Ha, you thought I didn't have a snese of humor
Sage said:
5) I think it would be safe to say that at this level you would have something like this, but how do you come to the price?
Sage said:
6) Hmm, taking a few liberties I see. Well, you know that the bonus with mage armor doesn't stack with other armor bonuses? fairly certain the same is true with the shield. I would suggest a +5 enhancment to AC (armor) and a +25 Deflection bonus and leave it at that. Pay a bit more because you are moving a deflection bonus from a ring to a shirt. Then I would make a buckler shield with a +25 AC (shield) and infinite arrow deflection, or something like that.
Sage said:
7) Okay, I see nothing wrong with a flight item, but since earrings are not a real item slot, perhaps you should combine these items with something else, like a ring?
Sage said:
As for your weapons, I would have to consult CRGreathouse or Yair for in put inregards to your automatic returning. On the surface I think it sounds fair, but I think it may be under priced or abusive. Specially with the sould drinking and triple shot ability.
CRGreathouse, what do you think?
As for the class, ihaven't seen it yet, but if it was okay with Yair, then I am sure it is fine.
Ozmar
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DM-Rocco said:I am weary of the topic too, but just a quick last note, you will never have to do 400,000 points of damage. While the tatic many seem poor, the point is it is possible. If that is possible, it is probable that your wizard can an will deal out at least 20,000 a round, enough to kill a god in one round. That would not even begin to tax his magic reserve, the example of 400,000 points of damage was just for over kill.
Now do you think the wizard is broken
No.
I agree. The wiz probably can/should be able to dish out 20,000 damage on a semi-regular basis. Where I disagree (because I am not certain) is in deciding whether the wiz a) could kill a god, or b) is broken.
On the one hand, I'll readily agree that magic (of any kind) is basically awesome after, oh, say 12th level, positively beating out non-spell-casting classes (IMO) in terms of utility and/or playing enjoyment. The higher level you are, the more and more necessary it is to have magic in order to pursue one's profession (and here I am, of course, including the PC's reliance on powerful magical items).
But on the other hand, is the wizard "broken"? "Broken" to me suggests something that needs to be fixed in order to make the game fun. I am not sure that is needed. I think the game can be fun even with the wiz's ability to deal mega-damage with his spells. But of course, I haven't "tested" that theory, so I am not certain.
And it is also not clear to me that a wiz could kill a god. Certainly gods don't have 20,000 hit points, but I don't see how the 100th level wizard could reliably deal the damage. I've been "researching" various deities to understand how to run a divine-level campaign, and they are potent forces. As you might expect, there is very little they cannot do, and salient divine abilities grant them a ton of options. If nothing else, many of them automatically succeed any saving throw, have very high SR, and have salient divine abilities (to say nothing of divine realms and avatars and eternity to plan survival strategies) that would protect them from such tricks.
The biggest challenge I forsee is Mystra, since she can cut off any being, mortal or divine, from the Weave. But I have been told that she's basically forbidden from doing this by Ao. I am not sure how it will play out...
Later!
Ozmar the Scholar of the Divine
Sage
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Thanks 
Anyway, the second int booster is for backup.
Price for use-activated or continuous effects:
Spell level x caster level x 2,000 gp
Note: If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.
Price breakdowns:
Boots of butt-kicking really fast.
Continuous haste (D: 1 r/lvl): 3*5*2,000*4 = 120,000 gp
Continuous spider-climb (D: 10 min/lvl): 2*3*2,000*1.5 = 18.000 gp
Price: 138,000 gp (hmm... I previously got this to 165,000 gp... wierd)
Amulet of the Eye
Greater Invisibility (D: 1 r/lvl): 4*7*2,000*4 = 224,000 gp
True Seeing (D: 1 min/lvl): 6*11*2,000*2 = 264,000 gp
Read magic (D: 10 min/lvl): 0.5*1*2,000*1.5 = 1500 gp
Greater Arcane Sight (D: 1 min/lvl): 7*13*2,000*2 = 364,000
Price: 853,500 gp (uh... I better check my math on the others)
Ear-ring of death ward
Note: An item that doesn't take up a space on the body costs double
Death Ward (D: 1 min/lvl): 4*7*2,000*2*2 = 224,000 gp
Ear-ring of flight:
fly (D: 1 min/lvl): 3*5*2,000*2*2 = 120,000 gp
Suit of protection
Right, I forgot to include this in "where I didn't follow the rules".
This is a bit cheesy, but I don't think it's too far out.
First we create a permanent mage armor and shield spell (point: they're invisible and dont have and Armor Check Penalty or Max Dex ponus)
They grant armor and shield bonuses to AC, respectively.
Then we enchant the permanent mage armor adding an enhancement bonus.
Do the same to shield.
Add Deflection bonus (I should probably move this to another item).
You yourself suggested
Prestige Class: can be found in the Epic Insight, Compiled and Updated pdf from Wizards' site.
Anyway, the second int booster is for backup.
Price for use-activated or continuous effects:
Spell level x caster level x 2,000 gp
Note: If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.
Price breakdowns:
Boots of butt-kicking really fast.
Continuous haste (D: 1 r/lvl): 3*5*2,000*4 = 120,000 gp
Continuous spider-climb (D: 10 min/lvl): 2*3*2,000*1.5 = 18.000 gp
Price: 138,000 gp (hmm... I previously got this to 165,000 gp... wierd)
Amulet of the Eye
Greater Invisibility (D: 1 r/lvl): 4*7*2,000*4 = 224,000 gp
True Seeing (D: 1 min/lvl): 6*11*2,000*2 = 264,000 gp
Read magic (D: 10 min/lvl): 0.5*1*2,000*1.5 = 1500 gp
Greater Arcane Sight (D: 1 min/lvl): 7*13*2,000*2 = 364,000
Price: 853,500 gp (uh... I better check my math on the others
)Ear-ring of death ward
Note: An item that doesn't take up a space on the body costs double
Death Ward (D: 1 min/lvl): 4*7*2,000*2*2 = 224,000 gp
Ear-ring of flight:
fly (D: 1 min/lvl): 3*5*2,000*2*2 = 120,000 gp
Suit of protection
Right, I forgot to include this in "where I didn't follow the rules".
This is a bit cheesy, but I don't think it's too far out.
First we create a permanent mage armor and shield spell (point: they're invisible and dont have and Armor Check Penalty or Max Dex ponus)
They grant armor and shield bonuses to AC, respectively.
Then we enchant the permanent mage armor adding an enhancement bonus.
Do the same to shield.
Add Deflection bonus (I should probably move this to another item).
You yourself suggested
So in keeping with the spirit of that:DM-Rocco said:
Suit of Protection
Continuous Mage armor (D: 1 hour/lvl): 1*1*2,000*1,5 = 3,000 gp
Continuous Shield (D: 1 min/lvl):1*1*2,000*2 =4,000 gp
Enhancement bonus for armor: 25^2*10,000 = 6,250,000 (same for shield)
Final Price: 12,507,000 gp
I could split this into two items (one for shield and one for armor) but that would cost the same (unless of course, I've run out of magic item spaces).Continuous Mage armor (D: 1 hour/lvl): 1*1*2,000*1,5 = 3,000 gp
Continuous Shield (D: 1 min/lvl):1*1*2,000*2 =4,000 gp
Enhancement bonus for armor: 25^2*10,000 = 6,250,000 (same for shield)
Final Price: 12,507,000 gp
Prestige Class: can be found in the Epic Insight, Compiled and Updated pdf from Wizards' site.
DM-Rocco
Explorer
Sage said:Thanks
Anyway, the second int booster is for backup.
Price for use-activated or continuous effects:
Spell level x caster level x 2,000 gp
Note: If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.
Suit of protection
Right, I forgot to include this in "where I didn't follow the rules".
This is a bit cheesy, but I don't think it's too far out.
First we create a permanent mage armor and shield spell (point: they're invisible and dont have and Armor Check Penalty or Max Dex ponus)
They grant armor and shield bonuses to AC, respectively.
Then we enchant the permanent mage armor adding an enhancement bonus.
Do the same to shield.
Add Deflection bonus (I should probably move this to another item).
You yourself suggested
So in keeping with the spirit of that:
Suit of ProtectionI could split this into two items (one for shield and one for armor) but that would cost the same (unless of course, I've run out of magic item spaces).
Continuous Mage armor (D: 1 hour/lvl): 1*1*2,000*1,5 = 3,000 gp
Continuous Shield (D: 1 min/lvl):1*1*2,000*2 =4,000 gp
Enhancement bonus for armor: 25^2*10,000 = 6,250,000 (same for shield)
Final Price: 12,507,000 gp
Prestige Class: can be found in the Epic Insight, Compiled and Updated pdf from Wizards' site.
You still can't stack two armor sources though.
So you think your good at math huh, well try this out.
How much would a diamond cost that had a widened permenant anti-magic shell on it?
How much to have a glove of storing that could break the anti-magic field and store it at the ready?
Hey, scroll up and check my items, I need a price on a few of them.
CRGreathouse
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DM-Rocco said:
I think +8 is quite fair.
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