Sheesh this is getting expensive!!

Well, I myself buy my 3.5 stuff from my local gaming store. Though they don't carry the older stuff (OD&D, 1st & 2nd ed.) though they used to until I bought them out. I'm just getting into 3rd ed. and for me it's part of the experience to buy the books at the gaming shop because I can talk to the owners, trade rping ideas, ect. all while I'm there. It's more expensive, but I like it. It just means I have to buy less.

I think a big part of it is though, I'm planning to open my own shop after I get out of college. So I like to be in there to get a feel of a shop, and to learn from the owner's experiences. (Did I mention they're really nice people?)

Gorilla
 

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FCWesel said:
yay games plus!

Let's say that one more time...

FCWesel said:
yay games plus!

That's right.

Games Plus is a model gaming store. I can't vouch for their profitablility, but they have an extraordinary variety of product, knowledgable and friendly employees, and they offer a modest discount to regular customers.

For us, they are not exactly local, it's about a half-hour to an hour drive, depending on traffic (guh... Chicago). But whenever we're in the neighborhood, my wife and I go out of our way to drop, even if it's just to say 'hi' to Curt and the others.

We gladly put off buying a book for a couple of weeks until we can get over that way, and pay full price. We don't have a lot of spare cash, but it doesn't bother us in the slightest. Why? Well, first we realized that we don't have to own every single RPG book that comes down the pike. We're a lot pickier about what we buy. Also, because we figure that the discount we would have gotten elsewhere is just going to pay for the excellent and personable service we get whenever we shop there. The pleasure of stopping by the store is worth spending an extra $5 or $10 on a an RPG book.

But hey... That's just us.

By the way, Joe... We do the same thing. If I don't quite make a $10 increment, I'll grab a set of plain opaque dice for $3.50 to push it over.
 

jester47 said:
Does anyone know what the stores are getting the books at? I mean amazon can afford to buy enough to where they are able to get them at more than 30% off. I mean if regular independent retailers are getting them at 50%, then anyone with business sense should understand the nature of their competition and start offering a discount.

Aaron.
I know that Ingram and Baker & Taylor, the two biggest vendors of books (not just rpg books) base the discount at which they sell to stores and libraries on the amount the store or library spends with them each year. Their deepest discount is 40% off list price. To get that, you have to buy a substantial amount in a year, but I'm not sure exactly what the dollar figure is. Upwards of 10k, I know. This means that a place like Amazon, who buys from Baker & Taylor mostly, is getting everything cheaper than your FLGS. So it only stands to reason that Amazon could afford to pass the savings on to you. Also, Amazon doesn't have to have nice, expensive storefronts. They can have a big ugly warehouse in an out of the way place, where real estate and property taxes are cheap.

There are other distributors for comics and rpg material, but I have no idea what their discount structure is. I'll bet it's less than the big guys, though.
 


Ranger REG said:
Welcome to the 21st Century.

I remember when soda and coffee only cost a quarter each and a compact sedan cost less than 10 grand. I remember when a monthly bus pass costs $20 (now it's $40, due to a bus driver's strike and a new labor contract). But civilization moves on and so is inflation.
But your salary hasn't increased proportionately to compensate, has it?
 
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--Just look on your tax form.

Definitely true for Kentucky. I found out exactly what "use tax" was when I had to go back and refile several prior years. Fortunately the return in tax due to the reduction in my income for charitable giving (which was the original reason I went back to refile) more than made up for it.

Seems like most people around here either don't realize what it's for (or choose to ignore it), or don't bother themselves with reporting it. Then most of those that do only concern themselves about the big things like cars, etc. But it is supposed to apply to everything.

--You are also supposed to pay sales tax on stuff that you have bought out of
--state when travelling.

Well, for us it's the difference between that state's tax rate and your state's if the other state is less. e.g. if you go to a state that has 4% rate but live in a state with 6%, then you're supposed to pay the 2% in difference. Of course, the "state" of the internet is 0%, so you're supposed to do all.

I was "lucky" that my electronic register tracks everything so that I could pretty safely say which things were internet and which weren't. Of course most were books - anything amazon or alldirect, books-a-million over roughly $25, paypal, etc. It added up quickly!

(NOTE: I am not a tax official and researched this only for myself and individual taxes in Kentucky. Your state and situation may, and most likely does, vary.)
 

Me, I like to spread my gaming cash around. I buy from the local gaming stores, the chain book stores, and the internet versions of both. Each has advantages and disadvantages, and since no one source manages to have all the advantages and none of the disadvantages, I'll probably continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

The chain book stores have the shallowest selection, but they're more conveniently located and open later than the local game stores, and for a nominal fee I can get a discount card which also saves me money on other types of books. Non-book gaming items are hard to come by though.

The local gaming store has a broader selection, including dice and minatures, as well as a way to meet other gamers. They tend to have new releases before the bookstores, and can usually give an accurate estimate of a product's release date. Also, occasionally they will surprise me by having an item in stock which I haven't been able to find elsewhere, even on the Internet. However they're usually the most expensive option, and as previously mentioned aren't open as late or as conveniently located as the chain store. Also, I personally haven't had very good luck when trying to special order items through them.

The Internet bookstore offers the best price, and their gaming selection is usually somewhere between that of the chain bookstore and the local gaming shop. Orders can be placed at any hour of the day or night, and for anyone with Internet access at home or work, they're as conveneitnly located as the nearest computer. Service can be highly variable, and if something goes wrong with an order it can be a Herculean task to get it set right. The biggest disadvantage is that shipping can take anywhere from a few days to a week or longer even on items which are in stock when the order is placed.

The Internet game store has the broadest and deepest selection, and usually offer discounts at about the same level as the chain bookstores, though usually without the need to purchase any special membership. Like the Internet bookstore, orders can be placed day or night from the convenience of the nearest computer. Shipping costs are sometimes higher than at Internet boookstores, though the biggest drawback to the Internet game store is the time it takes to receive an order.

I'm glad to have all four of these options, because I really do make use of different ones depending on circumstances. Just looking over my purchases in the last month or so, I bought Dungeon at the chain bookstore, a whole bunch of Star Wars Minatures, a module, and one set of dice from the local game store, ordered the World's Largest Dungeon from an Internet bookstore (whether it will ever actually ship or not is another matter), and bought some more SW Minatures, a few hard-to-find modules, and a set of dice in a color the local gaming store didn't have in stock from the Internet gaming store.

That's pretty typical of my distribution of purchases. Broadly distributed stuff that I'm in no particular hurry to get the day or even the week it's released I buy at the chain bookstores. Stuff that's less widely distributed, or is a new release I'm anxious for, or has an impulse buy quality to it, I get from the local gaming store. Expensive stuff that I can save a significant amount of money on I get from the Internet bookstores. Things that I can't find anywhere else I buy from the Internet gaming store, though sometimes I'll buy other things too while I'm at it even if it's something I'd normally buy elsewhere.
 

I'm sorry, but I'm not paying full price for books if I don't have to. It's far too easy to get a nice discount at Amazon. In fact, I get Amazon's discount and usually 10% beyond that for share the love. I don't feel the need to have something in my hands RIGHT NOW often so I'll wait for shipping.

I don't buy the Amazon is going to kill the FLGS and without them the hobby will die theory. The OGL has ensured that the game will continue to be played and that there will be plenty of new product to choose from. Also, forums like this one also allow me to follow the hobby without having to get to the FLGS to see what's happening.

So, I'm sorry but I give my money to the lowest seller until they give me reason not to buy there anymore and Amazon always comes through for me. Hell, they even hunted me down a copy of kill the dead something my FLGS (they double as a fantasy/sci-fi bookstore) couldn't do.
 

Look, wages have just not been able to keep up with the sky-rocketing cost of gaming materials. I shop local whenever I can, but I am not able to buy as much now as I could before and you can totally forget about impulse buying. When it comes to either paying my bills or buying a book, the choice is obvious.
I'm not going to let my rent slip for a new supplement with a jacked up MSRP. It's bad enough that I have to eat budget tuna fish and Mac and cheese for two weeks just to buy a new book. I feel for the local shop owners, but they're not the only ones around here that have bills to pay.
 
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rangerjohn said:
But your salary hasn't increased proportionately to compensate, has it?
No, which makes it all the more reason I should have my own business, be my own boss, and determine my own income. But then if my business expand, I'll have to hire employees who probably want to get paid for their service.

So, it sucks either way.

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