Sheesh this is getting expensive!!

In the UK things can be a little different as Amazon doesn't stock that much RPG stuff compared to the US, on WotC books they do undercut the FLGS substantially, but a number of the FLGS do mail order as a substantial part of their business looking to beat Amazon on delivery time and range of product rather than cost.

To put some figures to this Amazon.co.uk has 8 pages for D&D with 145 items, Amazon.com has 17 pages and 406 items.

Personally I'm not buying that much new product at the moment so it's ebay for me baby.
 
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Teflon Billy said:
I just find it astonishing that getting something for 40% off is considered a requirement before you will begin to do business with a retailer.

For me, if I could just buy a card that gave me a discount, (10% like Waldens or Barnes & Nobels), I'd buy more. Doesn't take 40% for me and I'm willing to pay for the card to get the discount cause I know it'll pay for itself quickly. I just can't stand having to 'round' off my purchases.
 

MonsterMash said:
In the UK things can be a little different as Amazon doesn't stock that much RPG stuff compared to the US, on WotC books they do undercut the FLGS substantially, but a number of the FLGS do mail order as a substantial part of their business looking to beat Amazon on delivery time and range of product rather than cost.

To put some figures to this Amazon.co.uk has 8 pages for D&D with 145 items, Amazon.com has 17 pages and 406 items.

Personally I'm not buying that much new product at the moment so it's ebay for me baby.


Actually, for the people who really wantto save money, Ebay would be a better choice than even Amazon. Now my FLGS has a used section which is pretty cool. You can find all kind of great stuff there. (Pretty much my entire Spycraft collection has come from there.)
 

Pbartender said:
By the way, Joe... We do the same thing. If I don't quite make a $10 increment, I'll grab a set of plain opaque dice for $3.50 to push it over.

And to be honest, that has killed sales for me on several occassions. If I have $40 bones to spend but have to spend $42 or $45 to get the check mark, I'm just not going to do it. I used to but I've got too many options now adays. I still buy a lot of my miniatures, but even then, it's the 'puzzle' of what will get me in my increment.

And by your own admission, you're actively working on the discount because you're grabbing something to make the '10' increment. It's annoying.
 

Atom Again said:
What exactly do you buy, Diaglo? I thought you only played OD&D.

i buy everything with the D&D label on it.

i'm a collector too.

i have own everything produced for this game at one time or another in my life.

gummy monsters, coloring books, stickers, plush toys, etc...
 

Ranger REG said:
Welcome to the 21st Century.

I remember when soda and coffee only cost a quarter each and a compact sedan cost less than 10 grand. I remember when a monthly bus pass costs $20 (now it's $40, due to a bus driver's strike and a new labor contract). But civilization moves on and so is inflation.


i remember complaining the price of the Chainmail booklet was too much. and i paid $5 for it back then.
 

Price aside, I haven't had too much luck with LGS. There are 4 within a moderate distance from me and I haven't been that thrilled with any of them. I find them dirty, smelly, and unorganized. Regardless of what they sell, they just aren't stores that I would go back to, nevermind game there.
 


When I was 16, I worked for the Youth Conservation Camp system in Wisconsin one summer (I was born in the U.S.). I got home with somewhere between three and five hundred dollars (sorry, can't remember exactly). What I do recall is that the FLGS in Oconomowoc (which truly was an FLGS, even if you had to drive to get there) got about $100-$150 from me the day after I returned, spent on AD&D 1st Ed books and Dragon back issues. Frankly, I felt like I got a lot for that money. It was like finding a major horde.

Things have changed. It's much harder to be a successful small retailer today than it was in the 80's. I pity the guys who have mall contracts -- apparently, it is now standard to tie the cash registers into the mall manager's office, and if you make more than $X a month, you have to pay a percentage to the mall. In addition to rent and upkeep.

(Frankly, in a mall, I would probably discount heavily to put as much of that percentage into my customer's pockets as possible.)

Regardless of how you feel about your F(or not F)L(or not L)GS, online stores are here to stay. They are simply too profitable, and represent almost no risk to the investor. They can easily undercut brick-and-mortar places. Heck, because your operating costs are so small, you can easily sell things for a profit of 1 penny on the book and make money.

In Rising Sun, Michael Chrichton talks about the Japanese electronics market. A product will be brought out at such a low price that competitors from other countries are driven out of business....even if it means selling at a loss. Thereafter, when some of the competition has disappeared, the prices are raised on the "new model" and the monies lost are recovered. It is a very cutthroat (and successful) business plan.

Remember all those "Look for the Union label" commercials? A last-ditch attempt to remind consumers that if they buy cheap, it's usually beause someone somewhere is being paid cheap.

You can't tell me that we aren't affluent right now, in part, because we resort to enslaving people in third world countries to supply our manufacturing needs. Oh, sure, they get paid. But do they get paid a fair wage? Do they have the right to demand a better wage? To organize? What happens when they try?

I'm going to stop now, before I violate the "no politics" ban (if I haven't already).

The thing is, it is successful because few people will pay more now for something when they can easily pay less. It seldom matters what the long-term cost is, and it seldom matters who's footing the rest of the bill. Or how they are footing it. And, as much as it might help if you, personally, take these things into account, the vast majority of people will not. That business model is going to be here for a long, long time to come.

I do agree that the OGL is one of the best things to happen to this hobby, ever. But I have to notice that publishers are moving away from the d20 System, not towards it. Too many of them lose money on the deal, or don't make enough to justify the investment. It's becoming too difficult to get retailers to participate in shared liability. Sure, you can sell via Amazon.com, but as Amazon doesn't have the liability, your position hasn't improved enough to count.

Anyway, enough ranting on this topic. Apart from answering specific questions, I'm done.



RC
 

Quite frankly, I'm torn on the issue. It's complicated, and there isn't a good answer.

Once upon a time, I shopped exclusively at my FLGS. But the service became poorer and more erratic, and eventually I fell away. Price helps move me, but not dramatically. I think the online market has contributed to the rising cost of books, but it's hardly the only factor. Paper is much more expensive, the distrubution system was thoroughly wonked in the early 1990s (remember when Diamond wasn't the only game in town?) and the economy has gone through a nasty slump.

My purchasing went down in 2002, when I was unemployed. RPGs just weren't important, when you've got a family to feed. When I was re-employed in late 2002, my purchasing resumed, but more cautiously.

Local retailers have some distinct advantages that are a double-edged sword. I like to impulse-buy...but for that to happen, they need to have a back stock. That back-stock takes up space, and costs money to maintain. I like getting good service, and I'm willing to pay for it. My current FLGS will special order things in and call me when they arrive. My previous store messed up my previous orders, and never contacted me (and were clueless when I contacted them). It shouldn't take over two weeks to get a copy of one of the most popular d20 games from your distributor, IMHO, especially if you have no idea how long, exactly, it may take. That was nearly a cancelled order. The experience was such that I purchased Freedom City online, from another shop.

A place like Amazon, Noble Knight or USAComics has the benefit of better prices or free shipping (or both, on occasion). What they usually don't have is SPEED. Some days, you want it NOW. Remember the stink when Amazon was breaking shipping dates? It's because it was one of the FLGS' best strategies, was to have the book right there, physically, on the release date. (side note: another example of why I left my old FLGS? I went in for Tome & Blood, sure to be a big seller, on it's release date. The owner had no idea when it was coming out. He opened his UPS shipment from the previous day which he hadn't even bothered to open yet and discoverd three boxes worth of copies, since his main store had anticipated demand. Then I had to convince him to sell me a copy before he put all the other copies out on the shelf, first.

So it's a hard decision for me. I like to save money....who doesn't? But I like to have an FLGS handy to browse, window-shop, impulse-buy and even just occasionally shoot the bull. What's a gamer to do?
 

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