D&D 5E (2024) Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?

[AnotherGuy]

Except the argument I made was the Hobbits, while NOT being human, are the POV characters, while two humans in Fellowship are less relatable, thus proving we don't need humans to be relatable. The argument I made wasn't "Hobbits are Elves" but "you don't need humans to be relatable".

Right so our point of contention is really that you do not see the Hobbits as Humans whereas I do.
Cool, agree to disagree.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

Right so our point of contention is really that you do not see the Hobbits as Humans whereas I do.
Cool, agree to disagree.

Your claim Hobbits are humans because they're relatable renders the entire argument moot because it turns everything that was ever relatable in all of ficiton into human. By your logic, Winnie the Pooh is human.

 

[AnotherGuy]

Your claim Hobbits are humans because they're relatable renders the entire argument moot because it turns everything that was ever relatable in all of ficiton into human. By your logic, Winnie the Pooh is human.

No, because I find the Hobbits more relatable than the Elves.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

Not everyone. Just most people. As evidenced by the most popular races played not including kobolds anywhere on the list. Elves and half-elves place quite highly. The only one letting bias cloud his vision is you.

This is a self-perpetuating fallacy. At one point creators picked arbitrary races to make playable and rejected demands for others. People got used to the former and now you claim it is somehow inherently more relatable, when it is at best just more exposure.

Yeaaaah, that's not how reality works. Try it again, this time reject the validity of the sun rising tomorrow and see how that works out for you.

You misunderstood. I found his evidence for his position so lacking to reject it. Sun rising is an evidence of itself.

Because that's human nature. That's why.

Source: "trust me bro"

Didn't say they were. They LOOK human, though. Which IS what I said. Try arguing what I say, not what you want me to have said. I'm cutting out the rest of your Strawman.

Hobbits look human and Hobbits are human are two different arguments. The argument I was having is that Hobbits, while not being human, are more relatable than two humans in Fellowship, stop moving the goalposts.

Also, "they look human" is stupid argument that just betray your own biases. You don't like creatures that don't look like you, that's very sad about you, but doesn't make them human-looking races inherently more relatable. You are confusing personal bias with "human nature".

Not as relatable as other humans.

Says you. I found a lot of beings that aren't human in all kinds of fiction to be relatable, and more relatable than many human characters, especially the ones who are supposed to be relatable.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

No, because I find the Hobbits more relatable than the Elves.

which was not an argument anyone was arguing, you just moved the goalpost like a coward.

 

[CreamCloud0]

No, because I find the Hobbits more relatable than the Elves.

but that doesn't make them human as a result, 'hobbits are relatable' and 'hobbits are not human' are two statements that can and should exist

 

[Morrus]

which was not an argument anyone was arguing, you just moved the goalpost like a coward.

If you can't post without calling people names, don't post.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

but that doesn't make them human as a result, 'hobbits are relatable' and 'hobbits are not human' are two statements that can and should exist

exactly.

 

[Mecheon]

Not everyone. Just most people. As evidenced by the most popular races played not including kobolds anywhere on the list. Elves and half-elves place quite highly. The only one letting bias cloud his vision is you.

Just dragging back to this, but, there's a lot of factors here. Half elves being, mechanically, a really strong race is one thing to note, along with the fact that half elves and elves are free, but kobolds are a paid option

If I wanted to really make things messy I'd point out that, for custom races for Neverwinter Nights? Kobolds are one of the more re-occurring ones. There's certainly been more love shown to NWN kobolds than there has been to NWN half elves, which just use the human model and don't even have unique heads.

 

[Yaarel]

No, because I find the Hobbits more relatable than the Elves.

The Elf is clearly a nature being, an otherworldly creature of the immaterial Fey spiritworld.

The origin of the Halfling is murky, but mainly they are nonmagical and might have naturalistic evolutionary origins. If so, they either are a Homo sapiens ethnicity, or a closely relating species branching off from modern humans.

By contrast, the Elf originates from shapeshifters who chose to magically adopt a human form.