D&D (2024) Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?

[Not a Decepticon]

Talking about how you look down on people isn't exactly honey instead of vinegar.

Why ypu come to my vinegar parol, asking for honey?

 

[Micah Sweet]

I'm not sidestepping, I will come back to the pist later. I still want to jnow why you think it was remotelly ok to put a group of real people in one bracked wih made up cteatures of fantasy and sci-fi. Japan is a real place, full of real people, you know that, right?

I assume it's because they're not seeing it as fantasy vs. Real people, but rather different culture (from the audience perspective) vs. Similar culture (from that same intended audience perspective).

Edit: meant to say different culture, not difficult. Sorry.

 

[Minigiant]

Perhaps you are conflating culture and biology?

By choosing to adopt "Tolkienesque" setting assumptions, ALL "races" are moreorless the same thing as the humans species.

The only differences between the "races" are cultural differences − plus regional ethnic traits like skin color, average height, and ear shapes.


In a setting where these "species" really are completely nonhuman, then references to Material Plane "biology" are irrelevant.

I Don't like tolkeinesque races

 

[Minigiant]

Perhaps we can shift the topic to ask why they did that, and if it has anything to do with relatability?

Laziness or Fear by the market leader. And then other suppliers relying on being compatible to the market leader.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

Except Batman fans, right? You literally said you look down on them.

I don'y look down on them because Batman is silly, my reasons to hate the character are far mre complex than that

 

[AnotherGuy]

The Norse alfr and the D&D Elf.

The D&D Elf origins are detailed in Mordenkainens Tome of Foes, but an abbreviation of it survives in the 2024 Players Handbook.

Elves are the literal descendants of the Corellon, their ancestor. They is a shapeshifter who freely adopts any form. Elves sprang parthenogenically from the shapeshifting blood that spilled from Corellon. Like them, the Elves are freeform shapeshifters. However, in a war between Corellon and Lolth, most Elves initially sided with Lolth and adopted Human shapes. During the war they lost their ability to shiftshape at-will. But Elves continue to shapeshift over time.

Nevertheless, many Elves are Wizards and Druids who can shapeshift at-will by means of spells and rituals.

Obviously, most settings dont have Corellon or Lolth, but the origin story is true for both Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk. The other settings will have their own alternate realities.

Man, I barely have time to explore and experiment with traditional or old school ideas of races nevermind all this cool new lore.

 

[Micah Sweet]

An elf in forgotten relative the same as an elf in Eberron except for culture.

Only if you have a dragon mark all you really different. And really if 5 ft allowed first level feats for species or origin Dragon marks would not be subclasses and you would just take a dragon mark from origin feat

Again you and many others are conflating culture and biology.


No you're not getting it.

The monster and the player character are literally not the same species.

One is a demon.
The other is a humanoid.

They share a name because the designers of D&D are to attach to tradition to rename anything.

But they literally are not the same species. They have two completely biologies.

They could literally be in the same setting as different species.
Much like an alligator and a crocodile may look similar but they are two different species.

If they're going to be different species in ,my game, they're darn well going to have different names.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Why ypu come to my vinegar parol, asking for honey?

I assume you'd like to convince others of your point of view, and I believe in the old adage?

 

[Micah Sweet]

I don'y look down on them because Batman is silly, my reasons to hate the character are far mre complex than that

So it's ok to look down on people who like something you don't, as long as you're comfortable with your reasons for not liking it?

 

[Remathilis]

So it's ok to look down on people who like something you don't, as long as you're comfortable with your reasons for not liking it?

That feels like it could be the motto of the Internet these days...