D&D (2024) Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?

[Maxperson]

And people also like Kobolds, but you've been treating me like I'm stupid for liking them

First, I'm not treating you like you're stupid for liking them. I'm a firm believer that people people should be able to like what they like.

Second, and this is important to take in. I reflect back the tones people use when responding to me. If you aren't liking my tone, don't use it in posts responding to me.

 

[Minigiant]

This is finally something I agree with you on! If I play a gnoll, it's the same species as NPC gnolls

NPC gnoll and PC gnolls are the same species.

Monster gnolls are a different species from NPC and PC gnolls.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

Which leaves us with the backstory we have. THREE races. Elves, dwarves and humans. Hobbits, not having a backstory of their own and not being a fourth race in the lore, get put into the human category and become an offshoot of humanity. Besides, nothing says that there weren't multiple races of humans like there are multiple races of elves.

This is still a headcanon without evidence and assumption you expect everyone to make. Maybe Hobbits are related to Dwarves, for example? And it still doesn't change the fact that insisting only humans can be relatable turns every relatable creature in fiction into humans. If Hobbits are humans, so is Winnie the Pooh.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

NPC gnoll and PC gnolls are the same species.

Monster gnolls are a different species from NPC and PC gnolls.

Considering generics npcs are put in monster books, this is a distinction without difference.

 

[Maxperson]

This is still a headcanon without evidence and assumption you expect everyone to make. Maybe Hobbits are related to Dwarves, for example? And it still doesn't change the fact that insisting only humans can be relatable turns every relatable creature in fiction into humans. If Hobbits are humans, so is Winnie the Pooh.

Well, no. The evidence is in the Silmarillion as I told to you before. What has no evidence is that there is a fourth race that Eru made.

The headcanon is yours. You are inventing a fourth race that does not exist in Tolkien lore. I am putting Hobbits into the humanity basket since they are clearly not elves or dwarves, the other two of the THREE races that exist in Middle Earth lore.

And please stop with the False Equivalence with Hobbits and Poo.

 

[Maxperson]

Considering generics npcs are put in monster books, this is a distinction without difference.

I ignore the new demon lore.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

I ignore the new demon lore.

How is warlord and abjurer being in Volo's guide to monters s "new demon lore"?

 

[Not a Decepticon]

Well, no. The evidence is in the Silmarillion as I told to you before. What has no evidence is that there is a fourth race that Eru made.

The headcanon is yours. You are inventing a fourth race that does not exist in Tolkien lore. I am putting Hobbits into the humanity basket since they are clearly not elves or dwarves, the other two of the THREE races that exist in Middle Earth lore.

And please stop with the False Equivalence with Hobbits and Poo.

I could see the Hobbit starring Pooh as Bilbo, tbh.

You still haven't answered why Hobbits cannot be in Dwarf basket, you know? Or maybe Hobbit happens when Elf and Dwarf have a baby? Is there anything in the lore confirming Hobbits are humans aside you reading there are three races and butchering logic to make a point?

Also, Tolkien didn't treat things as set in stone, from his letters we know after LotR came out, he was considering rewriting Orcs to have come from another dimension and be sent back there upon defeat, rather than killed. It feels to me the reason Hobbits have no origin is he didn't come up with one he lked.

 

[Maxperson]

How is warlord and abjurer being in Volo's guide to monters s "new demon lore"?

No clue. I'm talking about gnolls. Where do you get lost in that conversation, because I don't remember warlord of abjurer being a part of it?

 

[Not a Decepticon]

No clue. I'm talking about gnolls. Where do you get lost in that conversation, because I don't remember warlord of abjurer being a part of it?

I was daing i do not accept distinction beteeen monsters and npcs and pointed to generic npcs like Warlord being in monster books as a case that books support my position. For me everything not controlled by a player is an NPC