D&D (2024) Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?

[Maxperson]

I could see the Hobbit starring Pooh as Bilbo, tbh.

You still haven't answered why Hobbits cannot be in Dwarf basket, you know?

Because we know the seven fathers that Aule made.

Or maybe Hobbit happens when Elf and Dwarf have a baby? Is there anything in the lore confirming Hobbits are humans aside you reading there are three races and butchering logic to make a point?

There's zero evidence that elves and dwarves in Middle Earth could interbreed or even got together as a couple. And no, the Hobbit movies don't count.

Also, Tolkien didn't treat things as set in stone, from his letters we know after LotR came out, he was considering rewriting Orcs to have come from another dimension and be sent back there upon defeat, rather than killed. It feels to me the reason Hobbits have no origin is he didn't come up with one he lked.

Yep. HE sometimes changed things as he worked through them. There is no iteration of four races that I have ever heard of. Can you provide a single Tolkien note or letter saying that hobbits are a fourth race? If he was working on a background, he would have notes on it. Just like he kept old versions of the origins of Celeborn/Teleporno.

 

[Minigiant]

Considering generics npcs are put in monster books, this is a distinction without difference.

The gnoll in the monster book are not gnoll as classic D&D.

They're a demon. No thought. No NPC. No PC. Just murderous monster.

WOTC wanted a human shaped monster you can kill without moral issue.

 

[Maxperson]

I was daing i do not accept distinction beteeen monsters and npcs and pointed to generic npcs like Warlord being in monster books as a case that books support my position. For me everything not controlled by a player is an NPC

Okay. I took that to mean generic NPC "monster" races like elf, dwarf, etc. appearing in monster books, not NPC classes. The NPC classes are the same as PC classes in the fiction, but have different stat blocks due to being monsters and not needing everything PCs get.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

The gnoll in the monster book are not gnoll as classic D&D.

They're a demon. No thought. No NPC. No PC. Just murderous monster.

WOTC wanted a human shaped monster you can kill without moral issue.

Then why is its type "humanoid"?

 

[Maxperson]

The gnoll in the monster book are not gnoll as classic D&D.

They're a demon. No thought. No NPC. No PC. Just murderous monster.

WOTC wanted a human shaped monster you can kill without moral issue.

I don't like that change to gnolls, so I don't use it. In part because it creates an issue between PC and NPC gnolls which are the same race. Has 5e even given us a PC gnoll race to pick? I can't remember.

 

[Maxperson]

Then why is its type "humanoid"?

He's referring to this portion.

"No goodness or compassion resides in the heart of a gnoll. Like a demon, it lacks anything resembling a conscience, and can't be taught or coerced to put aside its destructive tendencies."

It's not a demon, but because of its demonic origins it acts like one.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

He's referring to this portion.

"No goodness or compassion resides in the heart of a gnoll. Like a demon, it lacks anything resembling a conscience, and can't be taught or coerced to put aside its destructive tendencies."

It's not a demon, but because of its demonic origins it acts like one.

Every timeI think this lore could not get dumber, it does

 

[Micah Sweet]

Then why is its type "humanoid"?

Politics.

 

[Minigiant]

Then why is its type "humanoid"?

Because WOTC was afraid to upset grognards.
But they also want a new role filled.

Demogorgon. 2 heads fighting each other.

 

[Remathilis]

Then why is its type "humanoid"?

Wait until the 2024 MM. It won't be.