Smack the monk

[James McMurray]

Yep, looks like we're up to 11:

5 UBAB with Quarterstaff
+1 Two-weapon Fighting
+1 Imp. TWF
+1 Greater TWF
+1 Haste
+1 Righteous Wrath
+1 Hustle

Anyone here that can find any more? Does a weapon of speed stack with another weapon of speed? If so, then instead of haste you could enchant both heads of the staff with speed, for 12 attacks total.

 

[Arcanus]

Well if he had the Expert Tactician feat and he won initiative or opponent lost his dex for whatever reason that would give him 1 more attack. Plus if he has improved trip that could possibly give him another free attack if he successfully tripped his opponent.

 

[James McMurray]

Well, if we're including enemy triggered attacks we can add Combat Reflexes and a 20 dex (fairly easy for a 20th level monk to get). That would add an extra 5 sttacks, bringing the total up to 17 or 18.

 

[The Iron Mark]

Having two weapons of Speed works to get two more attacks.

 

[comrade raoul]

Suppose I've got 1 FR-style epic level, which I use to take a level of sohei (OA). Suppose two weapons of speed offer two extra attacks. Monk 20/sohei 1. This might be a bit of a kludge but the sohei flurry is nice.

5 (unarmed base attack bonus)
2 (lightning fists)
2 (hustle - this is assuming that the speed kicks in for the extra partial action)
1 (sohei ki frenzy)
1 (off-hand weapon)
1 (improved two-weapon fighting)
1 (greater two-weapon fighting)
1 (righteous wrath of the faithful)
2 (two weapons of speed)

That's 16 attacks. You can get more if you go for something with extra limbs -- nezumi if you're (hah!) "conservative," xill or marilith if you want to get really sick and feel like throwing around lots of epic levels to pay for the ECL price. A nezumi with a tail spike of speed adds 2 more attacks (one more limb); a marilith with 4 more weapons of speed adds 8 more (four more limbs). If the speed enchantment doesn't stack with regards to multiple weapons, the nezumi gets 1 extra attack, the marilith gets 4.

For that matter, I'm attacking (counting penalties for lightning fists, two-weapon fighting, and the sohei flurry) at +6/+6/+6/+6/+6/+6/+6/+6/+6/+6/+3/+1/+0/-3/-4/-6. If I want to hit anything, I need some serious bonuses to my attack roll.

If the monk has expert tactician and is up against someone without a Dex bonus, he can get 1 more attack (or 2 more if you'd rule -- I think it's ambiguous -- that his speed enhancement kicks in for the feat's partial action). Depending on how you rule with regards to the speed enchantment and partial actions due to expert tactiction, hustle, et al, stacking, you can get anywhere from 16 to 18 attacks. With the marilith, you're at 24 to 26.

If the speed enchantment only worked for one weapon, you'd be at 14 to 16, or 18 to 20 if you were a marilith. Creatures with more limbs can, of course, get even more attacks.

And I'm not counting attacks of opportunity -- they can go all over the place.

 

[Ferret]

And (G.)cleave, that doubles it

 

[Enchanter]

I might be wrong, but wouldn't the use of a quarterstaff cause the monk to use his BAB rather than his UBAB?

From the SRD:

Monks are proficient with basic peasant weapons and special weapons whose use is part of monk training. The full list includes club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, shuriken, siangham, and sling. A monk using a kama, nunchaku, or siangham can strike with his or her unarmed base attack, including her more favorable number of attacks per round.

So the monk is proficient with the quarterstaff, but does not use his UBAB (and thus the number of attacks) when using it. So instead of 5 attacks/round, his raw number would be 4attacks/round.

 

[James McMurray]

True, I had missed that. So we'll just have him dual-wield nunckuku.

I don't think flurry stacks with two weapons though, since they are basically the same efect. If they do though... Ouch!

 

[Roland Delacroix]

I might be wrong, but wouldn't the use of a quarterstaff cause the monk to use his BAB rather than his UBAB?

From the SRD:


So the monk is proficient with the quarterstaff, but does not use his UBAB (and thus the number of attacks) when using it. So instead of 5 attacks/round, his raw number would be 4attacks/round.

Except that monks using quarterstaves as monk weapons is perhaps the most common houserule EVER, followed closely by elven druids wielding longbows with no problems.

 

[Enchanter]

Except that monks using quarterstaves as monk weapons is perhaps the most common houserule EVER, followed closely by elven druids wielding longbows with no problems.

So what you're telling me is that I'm being screwed over by my DM. Grrr....