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Paizo So how are P2 and Starfinder doing?

Mercurius

Legend
I'm sure I could find my answer from scouring the threads, but thought I'd just cut to the chase. I haven't been paying much attention to the Paizo neck of the woods since P2 came out, almost a year ago now, but am wondering how it has settled in with the community. What I remember is that there were mixed feelings: some embraced the change, others were unhappy. What is the temperature now? And how is Starfinder faring, a few years in?
 

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Parmandur

Legend
I'm sure I could find my answer from scouring the threads, but thought I'd just cut to the chase. I haven't been paying much attention to the Paizo neck of the woods since P2 came out, almost a year ago now, but am wondering how it has settled in with the community. What I remember is that there were mixed feelings: some embraced the change, others were unhappy. What is the temperature now? And how is Starfinder faring, a few years in?

Commercially, pretty well. PF2 is still not caught up with PF1 in VTT games being played. Reception is fairly muted, but folks are enjoying both.
 


Tun Kai Poh

Adventurer
Of the two most prolific Pathfinder GMs in my area, one is still running PF1 exclusively, while the other runs PF2 alternating with various other systems like Genesys and Scion.
 

Retreater

Legend
For the table I'm running, PF2 is going great. Combats are quick, exciting, and dangerous. I'd prefer better integration on Roll20 (like a workable Charactermancer), but we're having a blast. The players are excited about finding gold to spend on purchasing magical items and repairing their stronghold. Also, with the increase in effectiveness of non-magical healing, they can pretty much get to full health during any time we're in exploration mode (so during the equivalent of a D&D 5e short rest, all characters can get to full HP without expending any resources).
 

MaskedGuy

Explorer
I'm kinda in problem of running to 1e campaigns and having already decided with party two other 1e campaigns to run after those :p so gonna take awhile before I can schedule 2e campaign... At least there will be time for entire extinction curse to be released since I only run aps after I've read all six books
 

willrali

Explorer
I was initially very skeptical of Pathfinder 2, and an initial read left me cold. But I’ve since actually played and run it... and it’s frankly fabulous. I can tell it was designed and tested by people who really knew what they were doing.

In my community it’s doing fine. People were initially very wary of Pathfinder’s enormity and giant learning curve, but P2 has caught on as a slick and fast game with folks who want more options than 5e. Still doesn’t approach 5e’s popularity though.

I’ve just started getting into starfinder and it’s a lot of fun too. Again, nothing like the popularity of 5e, but it’s a sci-fantasy setting and those are always less popular in my experience.
 




BrokenTwin

Explorer
I'm very interesting in playing a game of it wth my FLGS group when that finally starts up again, but I've got zero interesting in GMing the system. See if it can replace Fantasy Craft as my "crunchy d20 system of choice".
 

TheAlkaizer

Game Designer
As we're drawing closer to the one year anniversary of the 2nd edition of Pathfinder, I'm very curious as to how well it did. As stated in many threads like this one before, it's a bit hard to get a good feeling of how well it's doing. I went for a long walk last sunday and stopped at two different gaming hobby stores, one of them being my local one where I often go.

I asked them how PF2 and Starfinder did in sales. They both gave me similar options.

They told me Starfinder did quite well when it launched and the hype lasted well into 2018. For about a year and a half it really calmed down and it's been picking up a bit lately.

Pathfinder 2E they told me had a really slow start. They sold quite a few Core Rulebook but saw very little action at tables. The following books (Lost Omens) didn't sell really well and Pathfinder 2E disappeared from the tables for a while. They told me that now that gaming shops reopened (in Montreal) there's been much more interest from people and Pathfinder 2E share of their sales has been much better than before the pandemic.

Paizo has, I think, released a very healthy amount of content for P2E over its first year. I think they're plan forward, whether they slow down or keep up the pace will be a good indicator on how it's doing globally.
 

Celtavian

Dragon Lord
I figured PF2 would have a slower uptake than PF1 given the gaming community is very happy with 5E. When PF1 came out the community was split. 5E has pretty handily rejuvenated the D&D community and drawn them back together. PF2 is a very good game, but it will take more work and time for uptake.
 

Retreater

Legend
So, in general, is Starfinder okay? Like I have ignored Pathfinder for years, recently came back to PF2 and am enjoying it. Is Starfinder closer to PF1 or 2? It's own thing?
 

TheAlkaizer

Game Designer
So, in general, is Starfinder okay? Like I have ignored Pathfinder for years, recently came back to PF2 and am enjoying it. Is Starfinder closer to PF1 or 2? It's own thing?

I haven't played Pathfinder 2 but I own all the books and have read them from cover to cover.

Starfinder is very much its own thing. It is not science fiction, it's science fantasy. It literally is pathfinder in space. I like it a lot, it's very refreshing to break D&D, pathfinder and other fantasy games.

As to the rules, I've often seen Starfinder described as a pathfinder 1.5. You can tell some ideas were implemented in Starfinder and made their way to Pathfinder 2E. Paizo's change of direction is quite obvious. But it also shares many mechanics with the more old-school 1st edition of Pathfinder.
 

rohdester

Explorer
I am currently DM'ing 5e ToD, but seeing how my group enjoys the tactical aspect of combat, I am considering PF2.
I have bought the CB, the Plagustone book, and the first part of the AoA Adventure Path.

Reading the stuff, I am impressed by it, and am looking forward to trying it with the group some day.

When visting stores I find it featured just as prominently as 5e, although I'm sure 5e dwarfs it in sales. It is quite crazy how big 5e is really.
 

teitan

Hero
So P2 seems to be doing steady business, which is good and there is a lot less teeth gnashing about it. I recently was invited to a 1e game and Purchased quite a few books for the game as the pocket editions are so cheap. As I have read 2e and a good chunk of the PF books now, I’ve noticed that for all the teeth gnashing about 2e they sure as heck don’t seem all that different. Just seems like archetypes and alternate race traits have been turned into feats and consolidated into the core book making them easier to understand and implement out of the box. The biggest changes seem to be in the combat system with the 3 action economy and some other tweaks here and there. I think that’s helped contribute to the steady sales as people wrapped up their PF campaigns and checked out the core book.

Starfinder is my favorite Sci Fi game as it’s probably the best game for GotG style hijinks that I love. I’m currently in the infancy of plotting a SF campaign and really looking forward to running that.
 

Jd Smith1

Adventurer
For some reason I can't buy pdfs off the Paizo site. Aside from being the most clumsy sales site I've seen, it won't accept my billing address, and it won't take Paypal.

Is there anywhere else you can buy their PDFs?
 

ccs

40th lv DM
Sales wise I know the PF2 books (Core, Bestiary, etc) sells fairly steadily at my most local shop. I often see them being unpacked & checked in. Not so much for the AP volumes.
Starfinder? Now & then the shop'll sell a core book. I don't think they stock any of the AP volumes.

Play wise - shop: Well the ongoing pandemic & a knock on effect change in buissiness hours wiped out the Friday RPG groups in-store play. Before that there were two groups playing PF1/PF2 (they seemed to alternate, I think they had multiple campaigns running & alternated DMs). I know the one group is still active & I assume the other is. I also know the one group also runs some Starfinder.

Play wise - my groups:
PF2 - It's in the rotation mix in my Sunday group.
I've run 1 short story arc & another DM just finished running the first AP (sadly we hit a TPK late in book 4 & storywise it doesn't make much sense to simply carry on.)
I'm neutral on PF2. Don't hate it, but don't love it either. If someone wants to run it I'll definitely play it. I'll even run it if that's what the group really wants & it's my turn behind the screen.
Sales wise within the group? I'd say it faired poorly. I own the Core + Bestiary + setting book whatever its called. The guy who just got done running owns the special edition core book + Bestiary + entire 1st AP. Everyone else pirated their stuff.
In my Thur. group it might be a possibility. I own the Core & Bestiary & one other player (#1) owns the Core. We're open to playing it. Two other players; well #2 is clueless & doesn't even know it exists & #3 might be 50/50. But it'd be a real hard sell to player #4. And listening to #4 bitch about any # of features - mechanical or setting would likely make it not worth the effort. The good news is that players #2, #3, & #4 would all buy the book(s) they needed.
Starfinder
Wouldn't fly in my Thur. group.
Might be a possibility in my Sunday group. We're not opposed to running other stystems/genres. I own the Core book. I know the one player pirated at least the core book a while back (probably more, whatever files the site had).
 

Derren

Hero
Starfinder is very much its own thing. It is not science fiction, it's science fantasy. It literally is pathfinder in space. I like it a lot, it's very refreshing to break D&D, pathfinder and other fantasy games.

Which for me is the big problem. Why play Starfinder when you are just getting standard fantasy?
 

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