So I was more or less kicked out of my D&D group

[DarkCrisis]

I wasn't reallt reading the book just flipping through it. I was pying partial attention. Not that I really needed to be. The DM's adventures are mainly room - room - room - fight - room - room - fight... fights lasting for 2 hours a piece.

And I didn't ague with him about it at the game. We talked about my not paying attention over the phone. Which I aplogized for but felt it odd to be called out on it when every 15 minutes the game is stopped for chit chat about nongame related stuff.

As for my choice in characters, I had never tried a Forsaker... it sounded interesting so....

I always thought and played (when I DMed) that it's my job to keep the group together. So if one cant TP then he arrives there later with no real plot lost. If a new character needs to be introduced they come across him within a reasonable amount of time (like 20 minutes) be it in a bar/jail/out of nowhere.

As for the loot - it was loot we had collected for 3 levels. My Rogue had a share in it but was dead. So when they got back to town and all got about 60,000 gold apiece I felt really gipped.

 

[Fenes 2]

And regarding the person who said that maybe the DM was just making the player deal with the problems of being a forsaker in game. He started with a frickin magical adamantium chain around his guy's neck. If these guys aren't close friends, I know I wouldn't come back after that.

I am not sure if you mean me, but I posted only that some people would recommend exactly the behaviour mentioned to make the player give up on playing a forsaker.

Me, I prefer talking to the player straight away, not "solving" something in-game.

 

[Samnell]

Sounds a lot like my old group. Better no in-person gaming than that.

 

[Tiefling]

It sounds like the DM is the evil guy, but I'd really like to hear his side of the story. No offense, DarkCrisis, but I've seen instances where the first person to tell the story on a message board bends the truth or downright lies, so I try not to judge before I've heard both sides.

 

[Kichwas]

I regularly skim books during play. Another play mixes music on his laptop, and so on.

As long as you're there when you should be -when your character is in a scene-, nobody in our group sees any issue with it.

We've always got assorted random chatter going on, references to other games, and from time to time, people absent.

On the far end of my patience is the player who seems to make a habbit of getting his character killed mid session, or removed from the active scene, such that he can nap for the second half.


Despite all those distractions, we all get highly engaged, do lots of roleplay and action, and have a usually good time at it.

 

[Michael Tree]

You GM sounds like he was really power tripping, though neither of you are blameless in this situation. It is impolite to read during a session, but hardly something to get up in arms about unless it's a continous problem. However, you should have asked your GM is playing a Forsaker was alright, rather than telling him you'd be playing one.

The teleport thing was unfortunate, but unless the GM specifically invented the teleport possibility to annoy you, which sounds unlikely, there really wasn't any other way to resolve the situation. I also agree that it would be unreasonable to ask a group of adventurers to share their treasure with some new shmoe who they just rescued.

However, the GM killing your rogue was really reprehensible. Even if he didn't do it on purpose (ie. he played the rogue as an NPC and it happened to be killed), it's extremely mean to let a PC die when their player isn't there. To top it off, the magic chain thing was puerile.

 

[Valicor]

Okay, I rarely come aroudn these boards or post here anymore but when I see somethign like this, I have to say something.

The DM sounds like a real jerk, but, I'd be a lot more sympathetic if I hadn't had players like you in the past.

Have you ever heard of the term 'social contract'? When you are part of a group there is an implied 'social contract', or set of rules that all people who are part of that group agree to adhere to.

Individuals who continually fail to follow these rules are generally excluded from the group. This is what seems to have happened to you. Perhaps these rules were never explained, or perhaps you just failed to pick up on them. Either way, you are out.

Here is why I have little, or even no, sympathy for you.

First, ignoring the game to read a book is pretty rude. Why show up if you aren't going to be an active participant in the game? Did you really believe that no one would mind this behavior?

Second, when the DM calls you on it, you don't own up to it. People who are unable to accept responsibility for their own actions do not do well in group situations.

Finally, your choice of Forsaker as a PrC just furthers my belief that you really don't want to fit in, or be part of the group. Choosing a class that restricts the entire groups ability to function is the epitome of anti-social behavior.

At least you'll have plenty of time to read that book now!

Am I reading this right? You are taking your personal felings out on this guy, because you had a afew bad apples at your table?

Social Contract? Ya is respectful to listen to the DM, but when the action is not directed at you. Example your character is not in the town, or within shouting distance of the party. There isn't much he can do about it. Do you honestly want to sit there for anywhere from 1-4 hours with your mouth shut doing nothing, whuile everyone interacts and relates? I've found in siutatiosn like this whehter you are them DM trying to get the player in thecenter with everyone or you are the player trying to get in it isn't exaclty easy. Because activities are cropping up that divert attention.

How could he have participated when he was ignored. I have gone thorugh many games where My involvment was essentially put on the back burner. It doesn't matter how much effort you put into getting back to center you gotta ride it out and wait your turn. And paying attention still while doign soemthign else what's wrong with that. Some people are capable of doing more then one task at a time. Then again I guess there are some who are not capable of this.

Finally what is wrong with playing a Forsaker. Are you forgetting your job as a DM, adapt the style of game for the players. They are not there to specifically acomadate you. The DM provides a world that can be influenced and shaped by the PC's. Plot hook & character frienships. A DM should not be in the buisness of forbiding everying that deminishes hsi ideal Utopia Fantasy Woirld, where he is the supreme God. Players have free will.

No where in the Forsaker Prestige class does it say that he cannot work with a party that uses magical items. Lets look at the advantges to this character in such a group. He could have joined them to destroy a more pressing magical item such as a Artifact. Maybe teamed up to defeat an evil wizard and destropy his magical tower. Granted a Forsaker may take alittle ocmmunication with the DM before using, but it is not an anti social engine that segragates a party into divisions, like you make it sound.

And your last comment, thats just spiteful. Now I remember why I rarely hang around these boards anymore.

 

[ninthcouncil]

It's always difficult to tell from one dside of the story, but that stuff with the adamantine chain was a cheap shot and suggests immature point-scoring on the DM's part. He could have been deliberately trying to force you out, passive-aggressive style, without actually telling you to your face that he didn't like you.

Whatever, there's definitely a problem between you which suggests you're better off without him; however, this depends on the circumstances.

Did you have to try real hard to find a group in your area? If not, then chalk it down to experience - there's other fish to fry. Forget them and find another. If you've got a long hard slog looming to get another game, it might be worth swallowing your indignation and trying to find out whether you can iron out your differences. Situations like this often arise out of each side misunderstanding the other's intentions and reacting badly in return; a few calm words can work wonders. Or not - some people are just jerks -but it might be worth a try.

 

[Droogie]

Indeed, your DM sounded like a vindictive, passive-aggressive, axe-grinding a-hole. Good riddence to him.

BUT.....

Like others have said, you're not blameless either. Off-topic digressions are annoying if they get out of hand, surely...but ignoring the Dm when he needs your attention is plain rude. I can see you casually flipping through d20 Modern while the other two have their CCG chat...but if the DM is trying to tell you something or there's important roleplay going on, you shouldn't have your nose in a book, especially if its not a D&D book. And " I was paying partial attention" sounds really lame.

Reminds me of a game where one guy got up from the table while the GM was talking, got some D&D minis, brushes, and paint, sat back down at the table and started painting. We weren't even playing D&D, either; it was Gamma World. "mmm..go ahead.....I'm listening....". We all wanted to punch him.

The absenteeism: Why was that guy gone for weeks? was he busy? The other guy has a GF. Thas understandable. I think females are a higher priority than a game of D&D, but thats just me.

You however, skipped the session because you didn't feel like it. Already you've shown the DM you have little interest in the game.

I'm sorry you didn't get any of that 60k booty, but I really don't see how someone they just met is entitled to it. Its just common sense.

 

[DarkCrisis]

The game was very RP light. I wasnt *paying attention* cause there was nothing to pay attention to. It was "Room description or a fight" Classic dungeon Delving. As the rogue I was only ever important for traps...

And I didn't just decide to skip. I finally got the house to myself and wanted a quiet evening for a change. Is that so wrong? I even explained to the DM that I rarely get privacy now-a-days and having the house to myself for a night was awesome.


And all teh other group members thought it was wrong of him to kill my character. I pretty much went into a fight and got my ass handed to me... where as if I had been playing my Rogue would have stayed in the back... I know better than to use a rogue as a front line fighter.

And I know there is always 2 sides to a story but this is pretty dead on. The DM has already said he is a vengful person. If you slight him he will slight you back twice as hard. I guess he felt like I slighted him and needed to extract revenge on me for not paying attention to his "this room has dirty walls and 3 doors" descriptions and the fact I wanted some personal time over D&D (despite the others getting personal time whenever they want).