D&D (2024) So IS it a new edition?

[M.L. Martin]

The term "Revised Edition" exists everywhere BUT in TTRPGS apparently.

Lots of non-D&D, non-WotC RPGs have used it, and it was even the original term for what became 3.5--they adopted the latter name before publication, based largely on online chatter.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

D&D: Diamond and Pearl
D&D: Special Edition
D&D: Reloaded
D&D: Bigger, Longer and Uncut

D&D: Director Cut
D&D: Radio Edit
D&D: HD

 

[Shardstone]

Lots of non-D&D, non-WotC RPGs have used it, and it was even the original term for what became 3.5--they adopted the latter name before publication, based largely on online chatter.

Glad to know this is purely an internet-only discussion then and thus has no actual basis in reality. Anyone not wringing their hands over this can easily understand 2024 is a revised edition of 2014. Easy.

 

[Kaiyanwang]

Playing it for a decade.

Dming it for the same.

Watching its' decaying corpse drag 4e under the earth, screaming and wailing for help, then emerging wearing 4e's flayed skin along with some of 2e's jewelry...

I've got some knowledge.

5e removed basically anything that made 3e interesting, being it a meaningful build choice, a meaningful combat action, or more than a few monster with actual magic abilities.
It has non-4e aesthetics so to speak (but not 3e exclusive), for reasons we know and we cannot talk about without triggering the usual discussions.
5e also has many gamist aspects it took from 4e BTW.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

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Boy, that is a bad collage. Where is that red lightsaber coming from?

 

[mamba]

5e also has many gamist aspects it took from 4e BTW.

2024 seems to be inching closer to 4e again, not sure that is a good idea

 

[The Myopic Sniper]

They've said that the power levels are remaining the same. That means the changes are mostly cosmetic. Instead of a monster casting fire all twice, it has scorching blast with the stats of a fireball, but isn't a spell. That avoids counterspell killing encounters.

The changes have to be really minor or CR will be affected.

I was just watching a video with one of the designers, Makenzie De Armas. When discussing concerns that the extra dice added to basic Cleric spells might make healing too powerful she said "Don't worry the monsters will hit harder. You're going to want those extra dice."

Admittedly, 2014 monsters are a bit on the weak side if you play with fewer than the recommended daily 6 - 8 encounters, but you might not want to use those 2024 monster with a table of 2014 characters and expect the same results.

 

[pukunui]

It’s less of a change than 3.5e was from 3.0e, so no, it’s not a new edition in that sense.

 

[Chaltab]

2024 seems to be inching closer to 4e again, not sure that is a good idea

Howso? For all its missteps 4E was a remarkably well-designed game.

 

[Charlaquin]

I think people are tired of the discussion, but only just waking up to the real implications. There will be 2014 tables, 2024 tables, and a whole variety of permutations in between.

I think that has obviously been the case all along. I also think the permutations in between are what makes this change different from 3.Xe to 4e or 4e to 5e. Those systems were so different from each other that you either made the switch or stuck with the old edition. With this change, you will have some groups that switch completely, some groups that use the new rules but allow character options from the old rules, some groups that mostly use the old rules but maybe bring over weapon masteries or the new monk or whatever, some groups that don’t use any new material at all, and some groups will start out in one of those categories but end up transitioning to another over time. That, to me, is a change more akin to 3e to 3.5e or 4e pre and post Essentials. It’s a little easier to combine new and old material than 3.5e, but less seamless than Essentials, which despite weirdos like me who liked to use it on its own was functionally just an add-on that you could use without changing any of the previous rules or impacting existing characters at all.