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So it's finally happened? D&D reduced to board games...

I have no animus towards the board games- heck, I enjoyed my copy of Dungeon! from the 1980s- but I'm not all that optimistic. Hasbro's recent 15% decline in profits stemmed largely from an underperforming board games division.

That makes board games a seemingly unlikely lifeline for the brand.
 

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So it's finally happened? D&D reduced to board games...

OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD YOU'RE RIGHT OH GOD.

My game of make-believe gumdrop elves played with grown-ups in a basement on a sunny weekend has been debased, desecrated, and defiled by association with the vile likes of Trouble.

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THIS IS HORRIBLE! THE GOOD TIMES ARE OVER!

Quick! Someone invent a time machine so we can go back to a world before this ever occurred! AND DON'T EVER MENTION FORTUNE CARDS, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE WORST!

...

Okay, that aside...meh. The board games are fine. Expensive, but fine. Even fun. And they don't invalidate the rest of your books n things. They're a nice on-ramp to a D&D experience. They have some cool, unique mechanics that you couldn't do in a regular D&D game.

They haven't abandoned "normal play" yet, my panicky friend.
 

WotC...I didn't want to believe you'd run this game into the ground, but I am seeing the signs myself.
Even if we don't count product sales, I've seen a figure floating around that has DDI subscriptions at around (if memory serves) 30,000. Even if they're only pulling in $5/mo per subscriber after expenses, that's still $150k per month. Just on DDI. Not even counting physical product. Is there another RPG company out there pulling in this kind of scratch?

Please, sell it off. You're not going to make Blizzard's money with D&D. Ever.
Was this a stated goal?

I mean, come on, rookie Paizo tied with you in sales.
Citation needed. (also, calling Paizo "rookie" tells me you really know nothing about Paizo)

And, yet, you have the all-time famous TTRPG in the world to compete with and still nearly got wiped.
Again...citation needed.

Sad times indeed.
Sad post indeed.
 

Rumors of this has circulated a number of years back, especially when WotC first acquired D&D. We thought it'd never happened and lashed at those who prophesied it would happen.
Who never thought it would happen?

As it's been made clear to you already, D&D has a long history of branching out into other mediums. The D&D brand is no stranger to cards, and it is no stranger to board games.

Pretending that those things are new developments which herald the END TIMES is either ignorance, delusion, or outright trolling.

And it has. What's with D&D reduced to using cards like MtG?
D&D is not using cards like MtG. If you think that's the case, you're not paying attention, or you're willfully pushing a flawed, inflammatory viewpoint on others (which, frankly, is a pretty awful thing to do).

And now all these board games being released...BOARD GAMES!? Have we dumbed things down that much? Has D&D really lost its entire base and embraced the Mountain Dew/WoW crowd?
I've got some difficult news for you. You might want to sit down.

D&D's base was always the Mountain Dew/WoW crowd.

A huge number of WoW players are D&D players, and played D&D for just as long as you have. And really, have you never heard the classic Dead Alewives skit involving Mountain Dew?

The portion of D&D's customer base that is made up of highly vocal, entitled, pretentious, crazy-conservative fans who see innovation as dumbing-down is - and always has been - pretty small by comparison.

I fear for D&D as a whole.
This is something that is often referred to as "concern trolling".

How do we get it sold to a more proper company (and not corporation) that will make the game for the sake of the game and not uber-profit?
You first fill out a form, atop which is scrawled in massive script, "Death Warrant of the D&D Hobby". Like any other form of entertainment, companies looking to make a profit are part of the package necessary to drive them forward. Without companies to innovate and push boundaries in the interest of increasing penetration and revenue, hobbies stagnate, wither, and die.

Someone like...TSR was...minus the bankruptcy and random splat books issue.
Right, so you want D&D to be managed by people without them looking to make a profit, and you want it to not fail miserably. Can't have both, I'm afraid.

WotC...I didn't want to believe you'd run this game into the ground, but I am seeing the signs myself.
No, you're not. You're seeing things, and because you want to be seeing signs that D&D is failing, or doing poorly under WotC, or because you want to believe that D&D is some pure creation that, if altered, will collapse in on itself, and that you and only you are capable of raising the alarm to protect the virgin game from mishandling, these things that you are seeing are suddenly interpreted in the way that makes them fit most snugly into your mental framework for where D&D is headed.

Please, sell it off. You're not going to make Blizzard's money with D&D. Ever.
I promise you, no one at WotC or Hasbro believes that this will ever be the case. Stop spouting nonsense like this. Making $Blizzard with D&D is not the goal, for anyone.

I mean, come on, rookie Paizo tied with you in sales.
No, they didn't. First, Paizo is hardly a rookie. They have been producing RPG products for many years. Second, Paizo did not tie D&D in sales. Paizo ranked the same as D&D in a slice of the market covered by IcV2 for a single quarter, based on obscure metrics that, by all accounts I've heard, largely amount to asking FLGS owners how they think a product sold. These metrics do not include Borders, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, any other online vendor platform, or digital subscriptions. You want Paizo to tie D&D because that would make you happy and would help vindicate your position, so you're willing to look past the rather obvious lack of clarity and issues with methodology at play here.

My take on this can be boiled down to the following: If you don't know what you're talking about, please be cognizant enough of that fact to avoid posting like Chicken Little. If you do know what you're talking about, please have the intellectual and moral fiber to avoid trolling where it really isn't wanted.
 


Someone like...TSR was...minus the bankruptcy and random splat books issue.
Oh and this was quite funny. So let's see, a company like TSR minus the bankruptcy...

- Print an extremely large run of a product that is risky at best.

- After over-printed product fails in the market, print more to clutter up warehouse, then sell that stock off as shred by the ton.

- Your CEO has a highly public disdain for gamers.

- Your CEO forces your company to produce products based on an IP her family controls, no matter how poorly your experts tell you it will do in the market.

- Hey look, fantasy card games seem to be all the rage, let's throw away a fortune on trying to (poorly) copy it.

- Sic your lawyers on your fans.

- Do not listen to your fans.

- Release so many different products that eventually you are competing against yourself.

- Fire your founder for telling you the truth.

- Spend millions suing your founder after you fired him.

- Forbid play-testing of your products before they ship.

Yeah. Those TSR years, they were awesome.
 

We do have a unified front,

All geeks look look down on Star Trek Furry Fanfic (like with Kirk as an ocelot or something) written by authors who put themselves in as the star of the story.

In all fairness, in Wrath of Khan, he was Moby Dick in all but costume. Some would assert he's had a blowhole...er...he's been a blowhard for much of his career.

Still...I don't see him as an ocelot. Given his well-documented friskiness, some kind of dog or goat would seem to be in order.
 

And now all these board games being released...BOARD GAMES!? Have we dumbed things down that much? Has D&D really lost its entire base and embraced the Mountain Dew/WoW crowd?

The Mountain Dew/WoW crowd = board games?

Watch out, Shaun White is about to play some Catan!
 
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