So it's finally happened? D&D reduced to board games...

[Mithreinmaethor]

A little over 47,000 subscribers, according to the DDI group membership.

And that is only those that have signed on and made a forum account correct? Because I know that 1/4 of the people I know that have DDi never visit that WOTC forums or groups.

 

[Abstruse]

Nope, they never tried anything like that... twice.

Can't believe I forgot Spellfire...

Also, Paizo's sales numbers aren't remotely approaching WotC's for D&D. This entire thing was started with this article which is an informal poll of hobby stores asking which was selling better. It doesn't quote actual sales numbers, actual print run numbers, or any other solid data. It also doesn't count mainstream bookstores like Borders and Barnes & Noble and does not count Amazon sales. It also doesn't distinguish between sourcebook/module sales and core rulebook sales.

D&D has always and will always have the edge in the pen and paper roleplaying market. It has brand recognition that other games would KILL to have. For good or for ill, it's part of pop culture and is having a resurgence. No one's running around wearing Shadowrun or Vampire: The Masquerade t-shirts...they're wearing D20s. I tell my hipster friends I'm playing Pathfinder and they have no idea what I'm talking about even if I try to explain it...unless I say "it's like Dungeons and Dragons". I say I'm playing Dungeons and Dragons, they're curious and may want to play (that's how I got two players for my current campaign).

 

[Chainsaw Mage]

No one's running around wearing Shadowrun or Vampire: The Masquerade t-shirts...they're wearing D20s.

Uh . . . okay.

 

[TerraDave]

I have posted in, and started, too many of these threads.






Oh wait...

 

[Stormonu]

Yes, we must go back to the crappy days of Dragonstrike and The Dragon's Den set and can't have decent board games like Wrath of Ashadarlon.

 

[MrGrenadine]

Also, Paizo's sales numbers aren't remotely approaching WotC's for D&D.

Granting that there is no evidence that Paizo is beating WotC's TTRPG sales, but there is also no evidence that your claim is true, either.

 

[Puggins]

Nope, they never tried anything like that... twice.

Three times, actually.

Good art; horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE game play.

 

[moxcamel]

Three times, actually.

Good art; horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE game play.

Oh holy crap, I'd completely forgotten about Blood Wars. Oh gawd it was bad. I think I need to go have a lie down now.

 

[Wicht]

Also, Paizo's sales numbers aren't remotely approaching WotC's for D&D.

And your evidence is?

 

[Vyvyan Basterd]

No one's running around wearing Shadowrun or Vampire: The Masquerade t-shirts...they're wearing D20s.

My most-played game over the last three decades is D&D. I own both a Shadowrun and an Earthdawn shirt. I've never owned any clothing with a d20 or related to D&D.