So, Wandavision?

[Maxperson]

Were they variations on Spider-Man? Then it was the Spider-Verse stuff.

No. They were all Peter Parker I believe. Here it is. The Maximum Clonage is what I think I saw. It was a long time ago.

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[pming]

Hiya!

My issue is they don't address mental health in a responsible way.

Long story short..., uh, yeah. That's it, actually.

Confused? Let me 'splain. No, that'd take to long; let me sum up:

It's a show based on Marvel COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS. Because of that, we don't have 8 years to delve into a characters deepest and darkest desires or anything even approaching that. It's action, simple drama, and "selective-consequences of action". For example, "Oh, sorry, I got startled and blasted your phone when it rang"...but that same character doesn't bat an eye when they destroy an entire persons house or business.

POW! BIFF! KA-BOOM! ...that's a Comic Book Story. ... "So, Wanda, tell me about your monther..." ...that isn't.

^_^

Paul L. Ming

 

[Imaculata]

My issue is they don't address mental health in a responsible way. If I am supposed to believe that Wanda is loopy-loop and therefore not morally responsible (not sure about that last, but whatever) then it's terrible that she just goes on her way, no treatment, and no mental health issues even being addressed. "Wait, I'm all better now," by the show's last five minutes is just lame, and kind of infantalizes the character, because if the writers are trying to make the case that she's got a handle on her grief now, after all that she's done, then it makes what she did seem more like a tantrum than a real issue needing therapy.

That all seems a bit cynical. Of course the tv show ends with a some what happy ending, where the main character comes to deal with her grief. But to say that this all happens in the last 5 minutes is just not true. The show dissects Wanda's grief across 9 episodes, and that is how she comes to understand her grief and deal with it. The final shots of the show don't show a Wanda that is 'all better' in my opinion. Just one who has gotten a better handle on her emotions and has changed for the better.

You also seem to suggest that people cannot overcome their mental health issues without treatment, which is also not true. Sure, Wanda 'could' have gotten treatment for her mental health issues, had she understood that she had any. All Wanda felt, in my understanding, is a terrible feeling of grief that kept washing over her in waves. She didn't understand her own issues, which is the central conflict of the show. Without it you wouldn't have a West View.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I sort of doubt it. Tony never did, did he? It's not the Marvel way, it seems.

He never went to therapy, on screen, but...literally every Iron Man movie and half the Avengers movies are about him dealing with his trauma, or not, andthe consequences of him not doing so.

 

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[Imaculata]

He never went to therapy, on screen, but...literally every Iron Man movie and half the Avengers movies are about him dealing with his trauma, or not, and the consequences of him not doing so.

Indeed, especially Ironman 3, which is all about his PTSD and coming to grips with it. I think Robert Downey J. portrays it quite well too. With his sudden moments of gasping for air and it all becoming too much. His late night projects and unstable attitude.

We don't know exactly how much time passes between each movie (I think), and how long it takes for Tony to deal with his traumas. So perhaps given the release speed of these movies, you may get the impression that he overcomes his traumas really fast. But I think it is implied that it takes quite some time.

 

[MarkB]

He never went to therapy, on screen, but...literally every Iron Man movie and half the Avengers movies are about him dealing with his trauma, or not, andthe consequences of him not doing so.

Plus the Civil War movie, where he starts out by trying to use high-tech self-therapy to try to address his issues with his parents, only to be blindsided by a grieving mother poking right at his guilt over Ultron and Sokovia, and ultimately those traumas drive him through every bad decision he makes through the movie until Zemo finally uses them to push his buttons into fighting against one of his best friends.

 

[Eric V]

Hiya!


Long story short..., uh, yeah. That's it, actually.

Confused? Let me 'splain. No, that'd take to long; let me sum up:

It's a show based on Marvel COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS. Because of that, we don't have 8 years to delve into a characters deepest and darkest desires or anything even approaching that. It's action, simple drama, and "selective-consequences of action". For example, "Oh, sorry, I got startled and blasted your phone when it rang"...but that same character doesn't bat an eye when they destroy an entire persons house or business.

POW! BIFF! KA-BOOM! ...that's a Comic Book Story. ... "So, Wanda, tell me about your monther..." ...that isn't.

^_^

Paul L. Ming

Fair enough. It looked like they were going for something with more nuance, etc. In the end though, if it's just going to be "comic book logic" where things like getting help aren't even mentioned...ok. I had started hoping differently, but, fine.

It sucks, because it's a big issue in the real world, and I guess I just wish writers handled it more responsibly. Sure, we've seen Stark have panic attacks, but not one mention of how it's not longer an issue. In the meantime, as someone posted up above, Avengers movies are about dealing with his unaddressed issues. So, they'll show one aspect of it, the destructive part (especially Wanda) then ignore it afterwards (Later Westview, I'm off to study the Necronomicon; hope you all get the therapy I never consider).

It'd be nice if, when writers address these issues, they show the other side. It worked well for Jessica Jones. Even Matt Murdock is constantly going to his priest for guidance.

I'm not saying I want to see full sessions or anything, but apparently, it's not even on their radar. So, at the end, my kids look at me as Wanda flies off with a WTH look on their faces and the only answer is...I guess everyone has to be ok with it. It's Marvel.

I think it was a disservice to the Wanda character, which is especially too bad because Olsen was really quite good.

 

[ART!]

Marvel refuses to let their characters grow and change, and that has made them less relatable in the long run.

I find DC heroes less relatable simply due to their sheer power. They are, by and large, gods. That's just hard to identify with.

This really comes down to personal tastes, nostalgia, and the like. Saying one is more relatable than the other is really just an expression of personal preference, which is fine of course.

I've always preferred Marvel in general, despite having started out with DC. It's just that a couple characters and stories at Marvel hit me at just the right time, and I was locked in from then on with some of those ideas. Still am. I read plenty of DC, too, but if I somehow had to choose between one or the other, it'd be Marvel.

Marvel characters were probably more relatable than DC characters in the '60s and maybe '70s, when that was one of Marvel's big goals. DC characters were your dad's and grand-dad's superheroes.

The two real, quantifiable differences I see between the two are that DC does reboots and Marvel doesn't, and that the Marvel universe was designed to be interconnected from the get-go, with just a small handful of people creating all those characters in the first few years of Marvel. DC's core characters were created by people working on their own, with no sense of a connected universe. That came later. I think that difference still stands out, but I don't think it makes one better than the other.

I got turned off by all the huge storylines that spanned 8 different books and had to be read in a certain order. Sometimes I would miss one and it threw me off. I got frustrated and walked away from comics. Years later I walked in and took a peek and there were like 12 Spidermen, which I think is that Clone Saga you are mentioning. I walked back out. lol

I used to love the Legion of Super-Heroes, but after a few reboots I just couldn't relate anymore. I still check out every new series, though, to see if it grabs me.

 

[Umbran]

This really comes down to personal tastes, nostalgia, and the like. Saying one is more relatable than the other is really just an expression of personal preference, which is fine of course.

Yeah. I kind of thought starting with "I find that...," should have made it obvious that it was my preference, not something anyone else needed to agree with.