So you have the Evasion class feature.... again...

[lonesoldier]

I've often considered allowing a bonus feat if a player gets an overlapped ability...I think its a fine houserule...but again it is a houserule.

Same here.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

I've often considered allowing a bonus feat if a player gets an overlapped ability...I think its a fine houserule...but again it is a houserule.

So would you allow a fighter/paladin to trade in his three overlapping armor proficiency feats for other feats? Or his, what?, twenty-odd overlapping weapon proficiency feats?

Not me. I'll let a player trade in an ability he has for one he wants, tailoring a class to his desires. But he doesn't get to trade in duplicate abilities. Those simply overwrite each other on the character sheet. He can't trade away one copy and keep the other.

 

[Seeten]

As a DM, I would give a similar feat, or bonus feat choice, to the player. A list of dex feats, for example, or something similar.

As a player, I'd argue that evasion should become improved and barring that, we should give me something, I'd go with, "Throw me a bone here, give me something!"

 

[Seeten]

So would you allow a fighter/paladin to trade in his three overlapping armor proficiency feats for other feats? Or his, what?, twenty-odd overlapping weapon proficiency feats?

Not me. I'll let a player trade in an ability he has for one he wants, tailoring a class to his desires. But he doesn't get to trade in duplicate abilities. Those simply overwrite each other on the character sheet. He can't trade away one copy and keep the other.

I dont consider the "Armor proficiency feats" real feats, anyway, so I dont buy this.

I see nothing wrong with letting a rogue-like PrC add either improved evasion instead of evasion, or dodge, or mobility, instead of evasion. All are "in the spirit" of the classes, IMO.

YMMV.

 

[atom crash]

I dont consider the "Armor proficiency feats" real feats, anyway, so I dont buy this.

I agree. I consider it a fair trade to give the player a bonus feat instead of a class ability he already has, if the bonus feat is in the spirit of the class. For the same reason, I allow wizards and sorcerors who have no interest in taking a familiar to instead take a bonus metamagic or Spell Focus feat.

 

[apesamongus]

I've often considered allowing a bonus feat if a player gets an overlapped ability...I think its a fine houserule...but again it is a houserule.

Yea, what he said.

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

I'd just give Improved Evasion. Better that than a totally unrelated feat.

 

[Bryan898]

I would actually give the player Lightning Reflexes. I figure it fits rather well. Instead of giving him the much better Improved Evasion, I'll give him something that increases his chances of using Evasion.

 

[Bad Paper]

There are PrCs which explicitely state that if you already have Evasion when you would otherwise gain it, you gain Improved Evasion instead.

PrCs such as...what?

Improved Evasion is way more powerful than Evasion. I like the idea of granting Lightning Reflexes, maybe, but I don't see why the second granting of evasion is just "lost." I have never heard anyone complain about it.

 

[Bront]

PrCs such as...what?

Only one I've found is the master thrower. Which makes it unique.