Solars too weak?

[hong]

As ruleslawyer noted, I actually had two points. The Cha/Wis issue is kind of separate from the power issue. It just feels wrong for the fiends to have higher Wis and Cha than the solar - even that 1 point in the devil's favor is about 11 points too high (i.e., the solar should have the advantage in these stats, even if not across the board - as it is, the fiend is better across the board).

The USS Enterprise would kick both their butts.


Hong "with Darth Maul coming somewhere in fourth" Ooi

 

[jgsugden]

The USS Enterprise would kick both their butts.


Hong "with Darth Maul coming somewhere in fourth" Ooi

Until it gets cancelled at the end of this season ...

 

[rkanodia]

Until it gets cancelled at the end of this season ...

Zing!

 

[Darkness]

If you're facing a Solar, you need an EPIC weapon to beat DR. In most games, epic weapons are hard to come by ... For all intensive purposes, this is DR #/-.

To beat the epic part of a solar's DR, all you need is a +4 good outsider bane weapon. (Or else a +4 lawful or chaotic outsider bane weapon, for CG or LG solars, respectively.)

Granted, this is not a cheap item (72,000 gp + the cost of a mw weapon) but it's not an unreasonably powerful weapon for someone with a high enough level to have even a small fighting chance against a solar.

Come to think of it, +1 good outsider bane (18,000 gp + mw weapon) and a sufficiently strong greater magic weapon spell can suffice as well if circumstances demand it.

'course, the weapon must be evil-aligned as well. But that's a much smaller problem than getting it to +6.

 

[Darkness]

The USS Enterprise would kick both their butts.

Hm. Which one?

 

[Gez]

Bah, anyway, half-celestial great prismatic wyrms chosen of mystra shadowdancer will pwnz all them, including the Enterprise.

Since we have vile balors and exalted solars, do we also have sidereals?

 

[Brother MacLaren]

Bah, anyway, half-celestial great prismatic wyrms chosen of mystra shadowdancer will pwnz all them, including the Enterprise.

Spelljammer introduced a dragon that was bigger than the Enterprise... on the order of miles long, IIRC. The Stellar Dragon, was that it?

Definitely a setting with some wacky epic-level beasties. Witchlight Marauder CR, anyone?

 

[DevoutlyApathetic]

Come to think of it, +1 good outsider bane (18,000 gp + mw weapon) and a sufficiently strong greater magic weapon spell can suffice as well if circumstances demand it.

Hmm....my DMG says Bane is a +1, did I miss something?

(This makes the Celestial beating stick only 8,000 gp, very reasonable if you're going Angel Hunting.)

 

[James McMurray]

3.0 was +2 for bane weapons. Perhaps that is where the confusion came from.

 

[Darkness]

3.0 was +2 for bane weapons. Perhaps that is where the confusion came from.

Yep, I totally forgot about this change. Sorry!