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Soneillon. Part 2. (Updated 10/7)

The Druid found himself reflecting upon Jovol, the Injunction – both in letter and in spirit – and his own words to Mostin earlier that evening. A niggling doubt began to grow in his mind, quickly becoming an irritation with Eadric’s actions, and a realization that his own role in events had been too passive. The time for calculated inaction was passing.

I have actually been a little surprised that Nwm has not stepped up to the plate earlier. I expect Uedii would have a strong opinion about Nehael being snatched away to another plane and non-being abominations frolicking around Wyre. If you are the incarnation of what is what would your relationship be with non-being? I expect it would not be too friendly a relationship.
 

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Well, you can't SUMMON an outsider. But since she translated herself to Wyre, she didn't break any rules. Another thing, since Soneillon is a nonexsistant entity, is she really THERE?

Thank you so much Sep, let us know how the house hunting goes.

(BTW, We just found a new house in Boise, ID, now we're just trying to sell our current one in San Jose CA, So I feel your pain.)

-Jackylhunter
 

Re: Injunction


The Injunction applies to Wizards in Wyre - not sorcerers (from other planes, or otherwise) - hence Koilimilou is not subject to it. Nor are Clerics, Druids etc.

Bear in mind that the quorum of great Wizards who acquiesced to Jovol: Mulissu, Shomei, Mostin, Tozinak, Waide, Hlioth, Daunton - did so in full knowledge of the Injunction's contents. It was really outside of their remit to extend it to other forms of magic, and probably would have caused all kinds of trouble if they'd tried (no, Sela, you may not gate in that solar, or the Infernal will bite your head off).

Nwm's argument - that the Injunction doesn't go far enough - certainly has merit, though. Of course, others would argue that it goes too far. The controversy surrounding it is far from over...
 

Sepulchrave II said:
The Injunction applies to Wizards in Wyre - not sorcerers (from other planes, or otherwise) - hence Koilimilou is not subject to it. Nor are Clerics, Druids etc.

So the prohibition against attacking wizards doesn't apply to sorcorers? And the injunction against interfeering in politics doesn't apply to sorcerors?

Do you think this would work if sorcerors were more common in the campaign?
 


Dispater said:
Strange that wizards just diminished their own power and left the other classes unchecked... espescially sorcerers.

I suspect that sorcerors didn't exist when the injunction was first created...
 

Olive said:
I suspect that sorcerors didn't exist when the injunction was first created...

It's far more likely that Sorcerors, by and large, are neither as powerful nor as prevalent throughout Wyre as wizards are. Even when the group first encounters him, Mostin is a known entity, a being of considerable repute. Consider him, at that point, as being like, for example, Leonardo Da Vinci. An eccentric with notable talents that has some favor at court, and is received with a mixture of anticipation and trepidation. They are learned, and either feared or sought after by the highest levels of society.

Sorcerors, however, have been only seen mostly as extraplanar oddities, for the most part. Druids and clerics follow their own rules, and shun the trappings of power, for the most part. Paladins, bards and others are too weak in the spellcasting department to be worthy of notice. Furthermore, the paladins, clerics and druids are all bound by their own internal social and religious conventions. The kind of rampant summonings war that two powerful wizards could invoke, should they dare, would not remotely resemble a conflict between clerics or uediian druids. A cleric of Oronthon powerful enough to summon anything of consequence is equally likely to think twice before doing so. A druid of Uedii would most likely be as concerned with the effects of summoning powerful creatures might be have ("Yes, we drove the kuo-toa away...but the water elemental has flooded the valley, destroying the crops. Was this a benefit?")

In short, the wizards:
  • Have a blind spot where Sorcerors or Bards are concerned
  • Are generally far more powerful than any sorcerors that exist in Wyre
  • Are more than a little self-involved
  • Were more concerned about their own actions against each other than of the motivations of others
  • Were not concerned with the actions of other spellcasters, and in fact sought to avoid their ire
  • Were only concerned with the immediate locale of Wyre (a simple teleport spell avoids the Injunction)
  • Ultimately wanted to create a consequence that would influence future generations of their kind from repeating the mistakes of the past

The Injunction has changed the rules in Wyre, but there are still a variety of ways to bypass them...which is probably why Nwm thinks it doesn't go far enough. Besides which sorcerors, generally, are not as varied in their talents as wizards...their limited spell selection generally limits them in terms of overall power outside of the combat arena.
 

[Wrily] How hard it must be, to be Titivilus. Are there occasions when you speak the plain truth, and no-one believes you?

If I speak the plain truth, then it is invariably in an effort to deceive, so the point is moot.

LOL! People were looking at me funny after I read this. I love the Eadric-Titivilus conversations.
 

"It would be a terrible thing if my intellect succeeded in denying the possibility of my own existence."

LOL :D

That's rich. :)

So now she's got him alone, in his home and she's in physical contact with him. Nerves of steel man! Will of Iron!
 

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