Song of Ice and Fire question

[Olive]

Now somebody with an understanding of the publishing world help me make sense of that? Because, it happens with Raymond Feist's works too. And no one from the UK chiming in with we need the extra two months because we are such poor editors in the US. I know we read and write gooder English here.

He will ahve signed deals with different publishers, a UK one and a US one. The UK publisher is first, and therefore gets to release the book first. Or soemthink along those lines. It's business.

 

[ssampier]

Jon Snow Parentage

I like the Rhaegar and Lyanna. It would explain Lyanna words ringing in Ned's ears during book 1, "Promise me Ned." My only problem is why doesn't Jon look different from the other men? I would assume that the Targaryen (sp?) traits would be recessive.

I think these books would be great on screen, however, much would be lost (the perpectives mostly). I would definately pay just to see Dany's dragons toast the town and capture the Unsullied.

 

[Sirius_Black]

stevelabny stated:

WizardDru / Sirius Black... your posts almost convinced me that this all stems from my own peronal problems with most forms of authority , especially the bigger and nonsencial red-tape and overly regulated types of leadership. almost

Don't even get me started on red-tape and bureaucracy....I can sum up how insane it can be with a quote from one of my fave television shows.

Clerk: You need to initial here, here, and here sir and place your signature here.

Commander: Why am I signing here instead of initialing?

Clerk: It's so we can get a stamp so you don't have to initial anymore.

it wouldnn't be Jon, cuz he'd leave me to die the next time duty came up. (it would be Arya, cuz nobody expects her to be a cold-blooded killer)

Does the heart warm a bit to Jon knowning how strongly Arya feels towards him? I agree no one would think her a killer, but it was hinted at in the start of "Game of Thrones" with a comment from Jon that's looking like it might be one of Martin's prophetic moments. I think it went something along the lines of Jon teasing Arya by stating:

"They will find you come spring frozen dead with your needle still in your hand."

Or something close to that.....of course that can hint at many possibilities. I would love to see Arya trained by, whatever group that is she's headed off to, and come back to pick off Freys one at a time. In fact, I'd pay money to see that filmed so it could be shown every Christmas right after "It's a Wonderful Life."

You are so dead on stevelabny about these books needing to be reread. I'm deciding when to do it myself. I think one can reread them just looking for prophecies or hints of prophecies like the statement mentioned above.

I caught on to the Renly-Loras thing

That makes one of us. <Shrug> I just never saw it til someone mentioned it on a thread. But you are talking to someone who thought the Village People were just colorful guys who liked to dress up when they sang. Of course I was 9 when I saw them and thought that. Rainbow Guard. <sigh> God, I can be dense about some things.

I really hope that the other new POV is Asha (not Osha). This chick rocked on toast

I'll take Asha. My money is on Brienne though. From all indications, it appears it will be another lady.

 

[Sirius_Black]

He will ahve signed deals with different publishers, a UK one and a US one. The UK publisher is first, and therefore gets to release the book first. Or soemthink along those lines. It's business.

Okay that makes sense. Thank you. I wonder why some authors let UK publisher release the book first? Regardless, it just means Amazon UK will be getting my order. Yes, I am that impatient.

 

[ASH]

Hello Everyone,
Let me just state a few things.
As far as re-reading goes, I just restarted the first book. Re-Reading it has helped me notice things that I had not the first time. I figure I will read slowly, hoping the next book will come out not too long after I have re-read all 3.
These are the best books I have read in a long time. If you have not read them you really should.

The Good debate
Jon Snow is the definition of good. Jon has the honor and duty of a DnD Paladin. The whole reason he got involved with the wildlings is because of the order by his commander. His whole association with Yigrette was to not raise any suspision. Yes he may have developed feelings for her but his first obligation was to the wall, if he would have done anything other than what he did he would have proven his honor and duty to be worthless. Lets not forget that Jon, regaurdless of who the real parents may be, was raised by Eddard, the man who left Bran, his own son, in a coma, and crippled at Winterfell because of duty.
Alot of the characters have good and evil tendancys. I really can not tell which side is good or evil. The others are evil. What about Dany and her dragons, I dont think they are evil.
Then you have Melisandre.....I dont know if her and her religion are good or not. It sounds evil because of what happend with Renly. But, Renly was not what I would call good.

 

[jdavis]

Well lets see here. I guess we have thrown the spoiler tag to the wind.

Caitlin Stark: reminds me of my step mother too much for me to think of her as a good character. I know she gets a lot of flack and I don't like her either but she would have to be considered a good character, well I don't know what to consider her now that she is dead but still hanging around (yea she's supposed to be brought back to life but bloated corpses with slit throats don't return to meaningful normal lives, she's some kind of freaky thing with no purpose but revenge now).

Jon Snow: Well all the things that were mentioned with the wildlings that he turned his back on is what makes me think of him as the most heroic person in the book, he sacrificed everything for his honor and to do what was right. Lets face it if the wall came down then it's all over, the only reason Manse was heading south was to escape the Others, he was desperate enough to destroy the wall to escape them, he wasn't invading he was fleeing. There was no living happy with the wildlings, there was no getting a house with a girl, it was a choice of keeping the wall intact to save the world or selfishly being the reason that everyone in the Kingdom would die. Yes it wasn't a happy thing for him at all but he did what was right, to do any action but save the wall doomed everybody on the continent to death from the Others. Yes nobody knows what they are or what is going on but as readers we have seen what they can do (and so had Jon Snow). any action but keeping the wall intact and closed to the North would be letting this evil cross to the south.

Wildlings: The wildling system was different than the kingdom system but any system where rule is that the strong take what they want from the weak and can rape and kill as they will is not a working system at all. No they were not complete savages but they were not Robin Hood types either, they took from the poor and the weak and they killed anyone who got in their way, lets not inflate them to being ok people. A lot of people romanticize pirates and I'm sure there were pirates who were real likable guys, but they were still murders and rapist and outlaws with no concern for anybody but themselves.

Rhaegar and Lyanna: should we put odds on just who really is Jon Snow's parents? What makes the Rhaegar and Lyanna theory good is that it fits with Ned keeping his mouth shut (naming him a Targaryen would be a death sentence for Jon Snow).

Jamie: Oh lets not mince words he is a "grade A" jerk. Why his POV story is getting attention and is one of the most interesting is that he realizes what kind of person he really is and is starting to see himself in a different light.

Melisandre: outright evil, or religious fanatic? does it really matter, she does evil things (by the truckload), that's good enough for me.

Renly: Well sometimes you just got to murder your younger brother who is trying to steal your rightful throne, eh it happens.

New POV: Brienne or Asha (I'd go with Asha as Brienne will probably stay attached to Jamie's POV, and there is no POV character on Pyke.)

Release Date: Good grief it's not even worth thinking about right now, any date that isn't right now is just way to far away.

Casterly Rock's heir: Kevan Lannister or one of his sons (controlled by Cersei) would be my best guess.

 

[Sirius_Black]

New POV: Brienne or Asha (I'd go with Asha as Brienne will probably stay attached to Jamie's POV, and there is no POV character on Pyke.)

I thought Brienne parted from Jamie at the conclusion of "Storm of Swords," so she could go look for Sansa?

 

[jdavis]

Yea she did but I figure she will end up back around Jamie eventually.

 

[WizarDru]

A lot of people romanticize pirates and I'm sure there were pirates who were real likable guys, but they were still murders and rapist and outlaws with no concern for anybody but themselves.

Well, having just spent some time reading up about Pirates, I can tell you that they were both more and less than the common romantic image. It depends on the nation, location and year in question. Pirates were very egalitarian...their leader was chosen as the most capable, similar to Mance, who isn't necessarily the strongest, overall. Further, once they had set out on a journey, a contract was signed that all crew members abided by. There were exceptions, but as often as not, they were followed.

Pirates of the 17th century were vicious killers as often as not, while Pirates of the 18th century rarely hurt anyone. Neither group tended to destroy their targets with cannon shot, since the ships were often the most valuable part of the endeavour, hence the reason they were called 'prizes'.

That doesn't even include the fact that many so-called pirates were, in fact, privateers (ala Sir Francis Drake) who were politically motivated and intended to hamper ships of foreign nations and international commerce.


Which is probably more than you wanted to know.

 

[Olive]

I'll take Asha. My money is on Brienne though. From all indications, it appears it will be another lady.

I'm at work so I can't check, but the preview from Dragon was an Asha POV wasn't it? Or am I mad?