sorc/monks and touch spells...

[eXodus]

hey folks.

in a game i am running one of the players is going to be playing a sorc/monk. i have a couple questions regarding touch spells and wands.

1. if said character casts a touch spell and misses does the spell fizzle and is lost?

2. can the touch spells be combined with an unarmed attack? and if so is there a chance that only one effect works? ie, he misses the targets ac, but does overcome the targets touch attack ac.

3. wands. if he has a wand of chill touch does it need to be used to touch the target or does it cast the spell on him so he then has to touch the target?

thanks a lot!

 

[Ristamar]

1) No.

2) Yes, it's legal. However, it's an all-or-nothing deal. If the unarmed strike misses, the touch spell misses, as well.

3) It would cast the spell on you, AFAIK, and then you'd have to touch the target.

 

[eXodus]

1) No.

2) Yes, it's legal. However, it's an all-or-nothing deal. If the unarmed strike misses, the touch spell misses, as well.

3) It would cast the spell on you, AFAIK, and then you'd have to touch the target.

thanks for the prompt answer!

regarding the missing with touch attacks and having the spell fizzle, wouldn't that indicate that you could then have a high-powered cleric who misses with his harm spell keep it and keep trying until he hits with it? that seems kind of powerful to me.

 

[Artoomis]

thanks for the prompt answer!

regarding the missing with touch attacks and having the spell fizzle, wouldn't that indicate that you could then have a high-powered cleric who misses with his harm spell keep it and keep trying until he hits with it? that seems kind of powerful to me.

That's the way "Touch" range spells work.

 

[Artoomis]

Wands work by:

To activate a wand, a character must hold it in hand (or whatever passes for a hand, for nonhumanoid creatures) and point it in the general direction of the target or area.

So you do not touch your target with a wand of Chill Touch - you'd just point and shoot.

 

[Ristamar]

What Arty said. In your example, it's not really a problem with the way touch spells works, it's (arguably) a problem with Harm itself. But that's another topic entirely.

 

[Ristamar]

Wands work by:



So you do not touch your target with a wand of Chill Touch - you'd just point and shoot.

Er, yeah, that's a good point. You don't have to touch the target with the wand. I certainly didn't mean to imply that.

Still, I'd say you have to shoot yourself (or an ally), then touch your opponent. That's the way the spell works. Wands don't change spell fundamentals, AFAIK.

Chill Touch <> Ray of Frost.

 

[Caliban]

Wands work by:



So you do not touch your target with a wand of Chill Touch - you'd just point and shoot.

The wand casts the spell, but it doesn't change the range of the spell.

If the spell has a range of "Touch" a wand doesn't make it a ranged spell. You still have to touch the target of the spell.

I would presume that you have to touch them with the wand, as the wand is what is casting the spell.

 

[Ristamar]

The wand casts the spell, but it doesn't change the range of the spell.

If the spell has a range of "Touch" a wand doesn't make it a ranged spell. You still have to touch the target of the spell.

I would presume that you have to touch them with the wand, as the wand is what is casting the spell.

Yeah, I love how I contradicted myself.


You don't have to touch the target with the wand.

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Wands don't change spell fundamentals...


I should follow my own frickin' advice.