Special Conversion Thread: Angels (and possibly other heavenly creatures)
- Thread starter Shade
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freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Other suggestions sound good, but Fly-by Attack is now redundant with Spring Attack (as far as I can tell). Dire Charge might be good again.
host (1-4 plus 1 cherub and up to 20 HD of lesser angels)?
Might want to check the lesser angels vs thrones and cherubim.
Advancement: follow pattern of thrones?
host (1-4 plus 1 cherub and up to 20 HD of lesser angels)?
Might want to check the lesser angels vs thrones and cherubim.
Advancement: follow pattern of thrones?
Shade
Monster Junkie
Flyby Attack doesn't prevent any AoOs, so they aren't really redundant.
Shade
Monster Junkie
I agree it is confusing. I think it works like this...
Normally, when flying, a creature may only attack before or after it moves with its fly speed.
Spring Attack allows you to move both before and after your attacks and avoid AoOs from your target.
Flyby Attack allows a flying creature to make an attack at any point of its movement.
So, I could be wrong, but I believe you need both Flyby Attack and Spring Attack to make an attack during your flight and avoid AoOs from your target.
I could be wrong, though, as the text for Spring Attack doesn't limit it to land speed. It seems odd to me to have two feats that do essentially the same thing, though, and have one completely better than the other. Of course, Spring Attack does have more prereqs...
Normally, when flying, a creature may only attack before or after it moves with its fly speed.
Spring Attack allows you to move both before and after your attacks and avoid AoOs from your target.
Flyby Attack allows a flying creature to make an attack at any point of its movement.
So, I could be wrong, but I believe you need both Flyby Attack and Spring Attack to make an attack during your flight and avoid AoOs from your target.
I could be wrong, though, as the text for Spring Attack doesn't limit it to land speed. It seems odd to me to have two feats that do essentially the same thing, though, and have one completely better than the other. Of course, Spring Attack does have more prereqs...
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
Yeah, I kind of thought the point of Flyby Attack was largely to avoid the prereqs. The other thing is that there's an Improved Flyby Attack which basically adds back the prereqs and turns Flyby Attack into a flying Spring Attack. So it's possible these are supposed to be entirely different feat chains. I'm willing to go however you think is reasonable, though!
Perhaps we should ask the kobold sometime.
Perhaps we should ask the kobold sometime.
Shade
Monster Junkie
Only if it's a flying kobold. 
That looks reasonable.
Solars and planetars are just "solitary or pair".
Sure!
An ophan is x feet in diameter and weighs x pounds.
That looks reasonable.
Solars and planetars are just "solitary or pair".
Sure!
An ophan is x feet in diameter and weighs x pounds.
