Cleon
Legend
The original's summoning ability included 1d2 "small whales" but the only small whale in the SRD is the orca. I'd be game for adding other whales as an option.
Special Conversion Thread: Lycanthropes and their ilk
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The original's summoning ability included 1d2 "small whales" but the only small whale in the SRD is the orca. I'd be game for adding other whales as an option.
Cleon
Legend
Sure.
Editing Wereporpoise Working Draft.
A porpoise is CR 1/2 while whales are CR 5 (orca), 6 (baleen) or 7 (cachalot).
A druid can summon one porpoise with summon nature's ally I, an orca with summon nature's ally V, a baleen whale with summon nature's ally VI and a cachalot wwith summon nature's ally VII.
If we consider the Greater Wererat summoning table as a model:
Greater Wererat Summoning Table
[TABLE="width: 400"]
[TR]
[TD] Hit Dice[/TD]
[TD] Ratweres[/TD]
[TD] Rat Swarms[/TD]
[TD] Dire Rats[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 4-5[/TD]
[TD] —[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 1d6+1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 6-7[/TD]
[TD] —[/TD]
[TD] 1d3[/TD]
[TD] 2d6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 8-9[/TD]
[TD] 1d3[/TD]
[TD] 1d4+1[/TD]
[TD] 3d6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 10-11[/TD]
[TD] 1d4+1[/TD]
[TD] 2d6[/TD]
[TD] 4d8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] 12+[/TD]
[TD] 2d6[/TD]
[TD] 3d6[/TD]
[TD] 5d10[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Ratweres are CR 3, Rat Swarms CR 2 and Dire Rats CR 1/3.
The original version had the weredolphin able to summon 1d2 small whales or 1d10 dolphins.
If we want to include those numbers somewhere on the table it suggests something like…
Weredolphin Summoning Table
[TABLE="width: 400"]
[TR]
[TD] Hit Dice[/TD]
[TD] Porpoises[/TD]
[TD] Orca[/TD]
[TD] Baleen Whale
[/TD]
[TD]Cachalot
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3-4[/TD]
[TD]1d3[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5-6[/TD]
[TD]1d4+1[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7-8[/TD]
[TD]1d10[/TD]
[TD] —[/TD]
[TD] —
[/TD]
[TD]—
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9-10[/TD]
[TD]2d6[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD]—
[/TD]
[TD]—
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11-12[/TD]
[TD] 3d6[/TD]
[TD] 1d2[/TD]
[TD]1
[/TD]
[TD]—
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13-14[/TD]
[TD]4d6[/TD]
[TD] 1d3[/TD]
[TD]1d2
[/TD]
[TD]1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15+[/TD]
[TD] 4d10[/TD]
[TD]1d4+1[/TD]
[TD]1d3
[/TD]
[TD]1d2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The Cachalot seems outside the remit of the original "small whale" so we may want to cut that out, but I can see us keeping a "Baleen Whale" option, possible with the Cachalot's numbers.
i.e.
Weredolphin Summoning Table #2
[TABLE="width: 400"]
[TR]
[TD] Hit Dice[/TD]
[TD] Porpoises[/TD]
[TD] Orca[/TD]
[TD] Baleen Whale
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3-4[/TD]
[TD]1d3[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5-6[/TD]
[TD]1d4+1[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7-8[/TD]
[TD]1d10[/TD]
[TD] —[/TD]
[TD] —
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9-10[/TD]
[TD]2d6[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD]—
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11-12[/TD]
[TD] 3d6[/TD]
[TD] 1d2[/TD]
[TD]—[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]13-14[/TD]
[TD]4d6[/TD]
[TD] 1d3[/TD]
[TD]1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]15+[/TD]
[TD] 4d10[/TD]
[TD]1d4+1[/TD]
[TD]1d2
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
What thinks thee?
Cleon
Legend
Updating Wereporpoise Working Draft.
The feats are not quite fine. I should remove the Bonus flag from Weapon Finesse.
As for skills, let's see what the original skill ranks were:
Porpoises have 3 ranks in Listen and 2 ranks in Spot, for 5 SPs in total.
The SRD's stock Elf warrior has 1 rank each in Hide, Listen, Search & Spot - all of which are cross-class for fighters, for 8 SPs in total.
Unfortunately, Aquatic Elves are dim so have a -2 Int modifier, so only get 6 SPs of warrior skills and 2 SPs of porpoise skills.
I suggest putting 2 warrior SPs in Hide, Listen and Search for 1 rank in each skill plus 1 porpoise SP each in Listen and Spot. That way the result has 1 rank more in Listen than Spot, like the SRD porpoise.
That works out:
Skills [Elf Form]: Hide +0**, Listen +4, Search +2, Spot +3, Swim +5**
**includes –2 armor check penalty
Skills [Porpoise/Hybrid Form]: Hide +5, Listen +6* (+4 without blindsight), Search +2, Spot +5* (+3 without blindsight), Swim +9
Alternatively, I'd be OK giving it 2 ranks in Handle Animal instead of a rank in Hide so it actually has a skill its semi-competent in:
Skills [Elf Form]: Handle Animal +1 (+5 with porpoises), Listen +4, Search +2, Spot +3, Swim +5**
**includes –2 armor check penalty
Skills [Porpoise/Hybrid Form]: Handle Animal +1 (+5 with porpoises), Listen +6* (+4 without blindsight), Search +2, Spot +5* (+3 without blindsight), Swim +9
Incidentally, the SRD elf warriors' Hide skills are a point higher than they ought to be. I suspect WotC left off a point of Armor Check Penalty.
If that bothers you we could make it masterwork studded leather.
Cleon
Legend
Fine by me.
I guess I'll keep the original's non-masterwork armour if only to prevent the PCs getting an extra 150 gp worth of loot…
Updating Wereporpoise Working Draft.
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
I think we should add the ranged trident attack to the Attack line of the hybrid form.
Here are some suggested tactics:
Unless they must pass as humanoid, wereporpoises attack in hybrid form, making use of their claw and bite in addition to manufactured weapons. When outclassed in battle, they change to porpoise form to flee.
Not great, but these aren't terribly inspiring.
Here are some suggested tactics:
Unless they must pass as humanoid, wereporpoises attack in hybrid form, making use of their claw and bite in addition to manufactured weapons. When outclassed in battle, they change to porpoise form to flee.
Not great, but these aren't terribly inspiring.
Cleon
Legend
Will do.
Updating Wereporpoise Working Draft.
The "change to porpoise form to flee" only makes sense if they have ready access to water. A wereporpoise might be encountered on land, after all.
How about:
Unless they must pass as humanoid, wereporpoises normally fight in hybrid form so they can use claw and bite attacks in addition to manufactured weapons. In the ocean they change into porpoises if that form's higher swim speed is advantageous, such as when they when are outclassed in battle and wish to flee.
