Species Names for Predators & Aliens

In Alien 4 they didn't get an alien. It is basically said that Ripley destroyed all the aliens, so they yanked some bit of her remains from the molten muck, and with super science were able to extract a few bits of genome here and there. They cloned that, and after several failures (in which Ripley and Alien DNA developed together), they managed to create a Ripley that had a separate alien queen growing in her chest.

I actually thought 4 was pretty good. Alien was a nice suspense and horror film, Aliens was a brilliant action film, Alien 3 was a character piece, and Aliens Resurrection was a Cthulhu-esque theater of horrors.
 
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My cousin and I recently analyzed Alien 4, which we didn't particularly like. In our opinion, the major underlying theme is humanity - the dehumanizing effect of technology and the humanization of technology.

The most human character in the story is an android.
The least human character is Ripley.

But then again, those are the musings of two very drunk geeks.
 

D+1 said:
Alien3 [one of the movies that I refuse to acknowledge actually exists]

Alien: Resurrection [another movie I refuse to acknowledge the actual existence of]

I'm right there with you. Both of those movies were terrible and didn't do justice to the first two movies, especially A3, mainly because they killed off Hicks and Newt in the beginning. I was more fond of the the first couple of Aliens comic mini-series that Dark Horse Comics published. Those would have made better movies.
 

a wierd bit of cross over trivia: A monster that was obviously the alien/xenomorph turned up in the old Arduin Grimoire series as a "Ripley" if my memory serves me correctly.
 

Warning: Mild Alien Spoilers, no AVP spoilers.

For my $.02, and similar to what I've mentioned on another thread...

Warning: Mild Alien Spoilers, no AVP spoilers.

Alien was a horror film that focused not only on an instinct-driven soulless predator, but also on being betrayed and abandoned by the soulless corporation you serve to death and dismemberment alone in deep space. Ripley is just some lady trying to make it home for her daughter's birthday (though I don't recall this being mentioned yet). Note, at this point, that when asked why the alien didn't have eyes, Giger said that the eyes are the windows to the soul and this monster didn't have one of those.

Aliens was a horror film that focused, again, on corporations leaving people out to dry and how impersonal they get, even when they see the rampant devastation that their actions cause and even when they are also at risk. This particular scenario also highlighted human instinct for survival (Newt) and protection (Ripley) even in a resource-constrained -- marines' APC went boom -- situation, once again a long way from home.

Alien 3 was a kind of bland and visionless rehash of the first two films (strong instincts, no resources, evil overlord corporation) from a studio that had a budget but was fresh out of ideas as the New World Order was taking hold. (Rumors exist of an alternate script featuring Hicks where the aliens were going used as gene-moddable bio-weapon before they rapidly got out of hand and lots of things went boom that some of the scenes -- especially outside the ship -- in Star Trek: First Contact are strikingly reminiscent of.) The one nice feature of Alien 3, despite being an otherwise sad copy film, was that the alien was using the dog's genes as was suggested by the might-have-been script. Whether it was genuine innovation or just hold over from the "dang we wanted this other script" is a question for urban myth debunkers, but it was nice nonetheless.

Alien Resurrection, however, was unforgiveable. The corporation that has been the mainstay of villiany throughout the series is replaced by incompetent military scientists. (Who is the military fighting, anyway?) Ripley, the blue-collar space-freighting mom trying to get home to her daughter has been cloned back into existence over 250 years after that 11th birthday party as some kind of ultra-butt-kicking hybrid. (Why bring her back at all?) The new form of alien introduced in the movie is a strange form of ghastly-cute which looks really nothing like a killing machine (more like an Atropal) and has those windows to the soul Giger said that it wouldn't need. (What, are soulless killing machines on one side and soulless corporations on the other not enough to scare us anymore?) And the action concludes as the ship arrives at Earth with access to all of the plasma cannons, nukes, knives and sharp sticks (love that line!) Earth has to beat up on the few remaining aliens with. It was a space-monster movie, yes, but it wasn't honestly part of the Alien series -- that was false advertising and I'm quite hostile towards that sort of behavior.

Likewise with AVP -- it shouldn't be on earth (Alien -- what, did you think they were talking about illegal aliens? [which is rumored to be an inside joke regarding the casting of Vasquez...]) and certainly not in Ant-freakin'-arctica (given that Predator only shows up in the hottest years in the areas of great strife and conflict). But at least they were kind enough to warn us of this in the trailer so I can avoid it. Bad branding, yes, but not out-and-out false advertising.

Cheers,
::Kaze
 

Mr. Kaze said:
Alien 3 was a kind of bland and visionless rehash of the first two films (strong instincts, no resources, evil overlord corporation)
I liked 3, quite a lot. I found that if I didn't compare it to Aliens, and just watched it as a stand-alone story, it was much better. The acting was very good and I enjoyed the psychological depth of the story. I do remember looking forward to 'Aliens 2' and being disappointed at the time it came out, but it's much more like Alien, in that mano-y-mano Alien vs. improvised weapons and human ingenuity sort of way.

Alien Resurrection, however, was unforgiveable. The corporation that has
There was never a 4th one, was there? Sort of like Highlander 2. Never happened. Nyah nyah nyah! Not listening.
 

Mr. Kaze said:
Likewise with AVP -- it shouldn't be on earth (Alien -- what, did you think they were talking about illegal aliens? [which is rumored to be an inside joke regarding the casting of Vasquez...])
As far as I know, Jeanette Goldstein didn't have an agent at the time she auditioned for the part of Vasquez in Aliens, and she thought it was about, surprise, illegal aliens, so she showed up with heavy makeup, heels, and skirt, while everyone else, who had agents, were in fatigues.

Thus was born the line:
Hudson: She thought they said "illegal aliens" and signed up.

Goldstein also has some of the most unruly freckles the makeup artist had to deal with.

Sincerely,
DarkSoldier, repository of knowledge of varying utility
 

DarkSoldier said:
As far as I know, Jeanette Goldstein didn't have an agent at the time she auditioned for the part of Vasquez in Aliens, and she thought it was about, surprise, illegal aliens, so she showed up with heavy makeup, heels, and skirt, while everyone else, who had agents, were in fatigues.

I just love urban legends!
 

Sebastian Ashputtle said:
I just love urban legends!

It's not an urban legend. In the Aliens special features disc of the new Alien Quadrilogy (the FOX marketing department must be staffed by Rhesus monkeys -- a four-part series is a _tetralogy_, duh), Goldstein confirms this anecdote is true.
 

Regarding the naming of the alien species the only way I have heard of them mentioned is by the name Xenomorph. It must be popular as it has made it's way into the Wikipedia as an entry under that name.

Other than that the best articles I've ever seen regarding the aliens is the psuedo scientific fiction at The Anchorpoint Essays.

Too bad I've never found a corresponding website for the Predator. I would enjoy reading a good explanation of their abilities and technology.

Enjoy!
 

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