Spell resistance + Deflect Arrows

[Trellian]

Okay.. one of my players wants to come up with this ultimate spell resistant character. First he wanted to play a drow forsaker, but then he came up with another idea. A Drow Foe Hunter (drow). Since we are playing City of the SPider Queen, it will mostly be drow that they will be facing.
I know that spell resistance is stackable, but the drow base is 11, and the Foe Hunter is 15. So I kinda guess we have to use the foe hunters base? So his Spell Resistance would be : (15 + foe hunter level + total character level). Since we are starting at 10th level, he will have a total of 30 in SR. Is this correct?

Secondly, it clearly states that only evil creatures may have their own race as favored enemy. Is this also applicable if it is drow?
And, can you have only drow as your favored enemy, or do you have to include the entire elven race?

Secondly, another character wants to wield a two-bladed sword and still have the deflect arrows feat. He argues that he can always hold the sword in one hand while swatting arrows with the other. Could it be possible to use the weapon to deflect arrows? Just like jedi knights do with blaster pistols?

A lot of questions here, hope you can help me out. It seems as if I say that "EN World messageboards user says this and that about the clarifications of that rule", they are more satisfied than if I just say "this is how it works."

 

[Camarath]

I believe the charater SR would be 11 + character lv + 15 + Foe Hunter lv. The 15 + foe hunter lv would only apply aginst Elves. Also since unless you house rule the favored enemy rule the character would have to be evil to select his own race. You gain the additional SR at lv 4 of the prestige class so since the first lv one can take foe huner is 8th so the charater would have to be lv 11. In that case he would have SR 11 + 11 +15 + 4 = 41 vs Elves. Drow are a +2 race so the ECL would have to be 13 or higher.

as a side note maybe your player might want to take a few lv of forsker first thus boost his SR even more.

he could take lv 1 ranger lv 2-3 fighter and lv 4-7 Forsaker
that would boost his SR upto 55 but that would by over kill unless fighting enemys of 20 lv or higher and would curtail magical healing

i hope that is some what clear

 

[Camarath]

In ansrew to your second question I see no reson the character couldn't hold the sword i one hand and deflect with the other unless he had attacked that round. In which case since two-bladed sword is large you need two hands to use it if you are medium. I would not alow a player to attack and use his hands for other actions on the same round especially if it was a full attack.

As too if you could use the weapon to deflect arrows there are no feats from WotC that allow you to do so but the a several in other resources that do. I can think of any right now but you could always just house rule it. Say require Weapon Focus with the weapon used rather that Improved Unarmed Strike and I think that would be fair if you want to allow it.

 

[Emongnome]

Spell resistance doesn't stack, it overlaps, so the SR from being a drow does not add to that provided by Forsaker levels, unless they apply to different things somehow. See pg. 82 of the DMG for details.

 

[Pax]

Okay.. one of my players wants to come up with this ultimate spell resistant character. First he wanted to play a drow forsaker, but then he came up with another idea. A Drow Foe Hunter (drow). Since we are playing City of the SPider Queen, it will mostly be drow that they will be facing.
I know that spell resistance is stackable, but the drow base is 11, and the Foe Hunter is 15. So I kinda guess we have to use the foe hunters base? So his Spell Resistance would be : (15 + foe hunter level + total character level). Since we are starting at 10th level, he will have a total of 30 in SR. Is this correct?

This issue is directly addressed in the MotW FAQ/Errata. In general -- any time yu have more than one SR source which adds on a "per level" basis, youonly count a given level once, period!.

So, neither Forsaker nor Foe Hunter can increase SR beyond what a Drow would enjoy innately, anyway.

 

[Pax]

Spell resistance doesn't stack, it overlaps, so the SR from being a drow does not add to that provided by Forsaker levels, unless they apply to different things somehow. See pg. 82 of the DMG for details.

Emon, the Forsaker and Foe Hunter SR's are specifically declared to stack with outer SR sources. Even the basic "like bonusses don't stack" rule has the single, huge exception "unless specifically stated otherwise."

 

[Camarath]

I had not read the MotW FAQ/Errata in light of the "don't count levels twice" and "use the best combination" of SR, I think his SR would be equal to 11 + character lv (for his base drow SR) + 15 vs Elves (since his foe hunter lv will never be as high as his base charater lv) so 37 at lv 11. If you use the forsaker you add + 11 to this so the highest SR you could get would be 37 + character lv
vs elves and 22 + lv vs every thing else.

sorry i did not check the errata before answering

 

[Jondor_Battlehammer]

Mind that I'm keeping myself to the rules here not opinion or sense.

First, you need to have a free hand to use Deflect Arrows, meaning that you couldn't even be carrying a light source to use it. You could call letting go of something a free action, but WoTC is usually pretty good about writting exceptions into the feat. I could see re setting your grip on the weapon as drawing it, thus a ME action, or free with Quick draw. Or you could just use a non core Feat.

You can only choose your own race for a Favored Enemy if you are evil. For a Drow to choose Drow, he must be evil. (hmm... I wonder if that would make a viable PrC, Fallen Drow Hunter.) A Foe Hunter's Hated Enemy must be a previous Favored Enemy, so you would still have to be evil.

Drow can be chosen as a specific Favored Enemy.

As to the stacking of SR. His base would be 11+total level. If a Foe Hunter, he would add 15 vs his Hated Enemy. If a Forsaker to boot, he would add 11. I would argue that he would only add 10, the additional 1 being from his first level of Forsaker, but that's not how it is written. Either way, it translates to god awful SR, precisley what he is looking for, and no small headache for you. I would be more than tempted to rule that the Foe Hunter and Forsaker bonuses would not stack, but as written, he could have a SR 47 at 10th level vs Drow.

Remember that a Forsaker uses his best SR vs ALL spells, and that it is only good if he breaks things. And no, breaking Wizards dosn't count, atleast not since I last Checked.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Remember that a Forsaker uses his best SR vs ALL spells, and that it is only good if he breaks things. And no, breaking Wizards dosn't count, atleast not since I last Checked.

Although...

Some DMs houserule that a Permanencied spell affected by Dispel Magic is suppressed like a magic item, rather than dispelled like a spell.

And some DMs, who dislike dependence on magic items, have systems in place where a character can spend XP to gain magic item-like powers.

Under either of those systems, I'd think a Forsaker could get his "breaking stuff" bonuses for beating someone up... if they want to turn themselves into living magic items, they turn themselves into Forsaker-targets...

-Hyp.

 

[Trellian]

So he would really get such a high SR, huh? I couldn't find the MotW errata on the wizards web page. Is it there, or is it just me who can't find anything? You disagree somewhat with each other, so an errata would've been great.

As to the deflect arrows thingy, I will houserule that you could do it if you haven't attacked during the round. Thanks for the help guys.