Spiderman 2 Spoiler Thread

[Datt]

I believe you are right KP. If I am not mistaken I have that issue in my office at home and will have to check it out when I get off of work, before going to see this movie a second time. (Like how I made my OT post on topic? )

 

[Arnwyn]

Apparently, Phil Lamarr was a passenger on the train.

He was - I picked him out right away.

I also thought I saw Christopher Walken... but, then again - I think I see him everwhere... D)

 

[Joshua Randall]

In the end (Spectacular Spider Man #200), Harry died of a dose of a new Goblin enhancement formula that was too toxic. Before dying, though, Harry went into a burning building to save Peter. When asked why he did it, Harry got to utter his final words, "You're my best friend."

There can be a powerful love/hate relationship between best friends - especially for best friends who are both smart and powerful (like Harry and Peter).

The worst (physical) fight I ever got into in my life was with my best friend. And wouldn't you know, I don't even remember what it was about!

 

[Shallown]

Okay I really liked the movie but had a few issues that have benn covered here except for this one.

Why in heck did Harry hear the green goblins voice? He heard it (IIRC) before he saw the vision of his father and therefore before finding the room.

I would understanding hearing his dad's voice. In fact I think he should have been bewildered when Spidey saved him at Octavious's and then started his decent into depression and madness. And occasional moment of should I just let it go or not then hearing his dad's voice and that would explain his outburst with Peter at the party. Then finally when Peter was revealed by Harry it would have made sense for Peter to say "Harry You have to believe me I didn't kill your father" Instead of the bull about not having time and that there were bigger things going on. I mean really, wouldn't Peter have wanted to say that for the past 2 years. Then at that time have Harry Sr. appear in the mirror and push Harry Jr over the edge ending with finding the lair and then hearing Goblins wicked laugh. I think it would have worked better.

Also Peter kept talking about his enemies... who Street thugs. I think they should have had a few flashbacks of him fighting something closer to supervillians. Otherwise he doesn't have any Enemies who could hurt him. Goblin was dead and Ock had just appeared. Confused me. I think the movie needed to be 5 minutes longer with a bunch of micro scenes to explain some of the flaws that bumped me out of my immersion in the film. After all its all about me

Later

 

[WizarDru]

Why in heck did Harry hear the green goblins voice? He heard it (IIRC) before he saw the vision of his father and therefore before finding the room.

I think that's a function of Harry's subconscious knowing what his conscious mind refuses to accept....and the truth of both Peter and his father is what breaks his fragile grasp on sanity. After all, he's been obsessing about it for two years...it's not hard to believe he would have started to connect the dots...and then tried to find a way to disbelieve it, IMHO.

Also Peter kept talking about his enemies... who Street thugs. I think they should have had a few flashbacks of him fighting something closer to supervillians. Otherwise he doesn't have any Enemies who could hurt him.

Tell that to the thug who killed Uncle Ben. Spiderman is all about the guilt over that event...and he works vey hard to try and prevent that situation from becoming a reality again. Even though it becomes something of a running gag in the comics first 20 years or so, where a legion of folks find out his identity; many of them safeguarding it without his knowing, or and an equal number of enemies who don't reveal it for their own reasons.

Nickelodeon currently has an animated show (which my kids love) called "Danny Phantom". If you ignore the slight alteration in format, the fact is that Danny is clearly inspired by Peter Parker, and much of the show's format is clearly a very close analog to the webhead and his adventures. It's clearly inspired from those old stories, right down to having a green goblin-esque enemy who knows his secret, and the secret identity detente that forms around them.

 

[Umbran]

Otherwise he doesn't have any Enemies who could hurt him.

Note that when this comes up, Peter isn't talking about enemies who can harm him. He's talking about those who might hurt the ones he loves. A normal steet thug killed Uncle Ben. MJ would be equally vulnerable.

Plus, the Green Goblin had threatened both Aunt May and MJ before. He loves these people. Would he be much of a hero if he discarded the possibility that it could happen again?

 

[Andrew D. Gable]

I saw it last night, and I thought it was great, like so many others said. I would say it was most definitely better than the first.

So, I guess it's Green Goblin II/Hobgoblin next time, unfortunately. I didn't really dig the Goblin too much, and I don't really want to see him again...I'd rather it be the Lizard, since they kind of set it up for him, too. And Man-Wolf, come to think of it.

I'm still debating on whether they should bring in Venom/Carnage or not. I'd love to see it, don't get me wrong, but well... I don't believe they will.

It would be cool to go along with what Shallown said, though, if they would show Spiderman beating up on some of the peon villains rather than thugs. You know, the really more-or-less worthless guys like Electro and Rhino and Scorpion and the dreaded Walrus.

What was the other name the guy suggested for Dr. Octopus? There were three: Dr. Octopus, Dr. Strange (), and something else.

I did like how they did the little Dr. Strange joke as it's kind of giving you the idea that there's more super guys out there than just Spidey and whoever his enemy is for that movie. Even if they don't focus on the other villains/heroes, I'd like some indication that they're around.

 

[Nuclear Platypus]

What was the other name the guy suggested for Dr. Octopus? There were three: Dr. Octopus, Dr. Strange (), and something else.

The scene went something like:

Hoffman: "How about Doctor Octopus?"
Jameson: "Too corny."
H: "Scientist Squid?"
J: "Eee-yuck."
H: "Doctor Strange?"
J: "That's great! But it's already taken. I got it. Doctor Octopus!"

 

[Psychotic Dreamer]

I love the interaction between Hoffman and Jameson.

 

[Green Knight]

So, I guess it's Green Goblin II/Hobgoblin next time, unfortunately. I didn't really dig the Goblin too much, and I don't really want to see him again...I'd rather it be the Lizard, since they kind of set it up for him, too. And Man-Wolf, come to think of it.

These discussions about what villains should appear can really go in circles, when you come to think about it. Spider-Man has such a varied and awesome Rogue's Gallery, possibly matched only by Batman's Rogue's Gallery, that it's really tough to pick one for a movie. Going through some of the most notables, the list includes:

Green Goblin
Hobgoblin
Demogoblin
Doctor Octopus
Venom
Carnage
Lizard
Kingpin
Electro
Mysterio
Tombstone
Sandman
Vulture
Rhino
Sin Eater
Beetle
Scorpion
Kraven
Chameleon
Shocker

I hope we never see Carnage, personally. But Venom would be nice, although only if they manage to get it to six movies. If they go beyond three movies, though, then they HAVE to end it with Kraven. No If's, And's, or But's about it. If it goes to 4 or more, then it has to end in Kraven. IMO, of course.