Spring attack and haste: stop me from getting cheesy

[Piratecat]

If you have a PC with spring attack, normally they can move, take a standard (ie not a full) attack, and boogie on out of there. Now, if this PC is hasted, I believe that they can't move (as part of the hasted action), take a full attack, and then move again (finishing the hasted action.) That's not legit because the partial action has to come either before or after the normal action, right?

I was trying to think of ways that a creature could move, get a full attack, and then move again. Unless you have a magic item that grants the pounce ability, I don't think it's possible.

Opinions?

 

[Artoomis]

You are correct - you can't do it.

EDIT: The below assumes you are hasted, of course.

What you can do, however, is partial move, than charge attack with Ride-By Attack or Spring Attack, so that you get to keep moving after the attack without taking an AoO.

Ride-By Attack can be very nasy for a small creature on a medium mount - they can go just about anywhere, even underground. Make the mount fly and it can get very nasty - especially with a lance and Sprited Charge.

Being very technical and disregarding the FAQ, you could even partial move and then charge in a different direction. I don't know if many DMs are alowing this since the FAQ weighed in on the side of not allowing this action in this way. The rules simply state when you charge, you must move in a straight line - they don't state that all you movement in a round must be in a straight line.

You could also charge and then partial move. This can be particularly effective in setting up for a different target the next round.

This is the only way I know of even coming close to what you want to do.

 

[Dagger75]

Haste works like this I thought:

Regular Action + Hast Action Or Haste Action + Regular Action


I think the best you could do is move 5ft do your full attack then use your haste action to move back you movement rate.

OR

Haste Action- Walk into combat, Regular Action- Full attack option and move 5 feet.

Thats what I think. I am probably wrong.

 

[Piratecat]

This is the only way I know of even coming close to what you want to do.

Well, the tricky part is getting the full attack. Otherwise, it's not too hard to get in, get one attack, and get out. The pounce ability (allowing a full attack after a move) isn't available to very many creatures.

Hmmm. Anyone think I'm missing something obvious?

EDIT - Dagger, you can't take a 5' step AND move during your hasted action. If you make a 5' step, that's the only movement you're making for the whole round, period. Yeah, I know a lot of folks here disagree with that, but this is the official ruling.

 

[Artoomis]

Thinking about this some more, I have come up with a way (albeit cheesy) to do it.

Start with a special prestige class that focuses solely on attacks with movement. As a special ability, this class allows an extra partial move (only) that stacks with the extra partial action from haste (or boots of speed, or whatever).

Now you could move, full attack and move again.

You might even restrict the class further by allowing ONLY an additional partial move as the extra partial action from haste.

Silly, perhaps, but it works - even if it is a sort of one-trick pony. It's not even totally unreasonable.

 

[Lucius Foxhound]

With Boots of Speed and Spring Attack, could you move, attack (once, not full), move, and attack again, right?

Could you also attack, move, attack again, then move?

My head hurts...

 

[AuraSeer]

With Boots of Speed and Spring Attack, could you move, attack (once, not full), move, and attack again, right?

Yes, as long as your total distance moved is no greater than your speed. Boots of Speed duplicate the effect of Haste, which means you get an extra partial action before or after your normal turn.

So you first use Spring Attack to move part of your speed, attack once, then continue moving. That uses up your regular turn. Then you make one more attack (without moving) as your extra partial action.

Could you also attack, move, attack again, then move?

Yes. This is just like the explanation above, except that you take your extra partial action first, and then Spring Attack.

 

[Artoomis]

The proposed new prestige class could be the Speed Fighter.

It comes with its own theme song:

He's off and flying as he moves and makes his full attack,
He's fighting with his weapons like he's never coming back,
Adventure's wating just ahead...

Go Speed Fighter!
Go Speed Fighter!
Go Speed Fighter Go-o!

edited to make it a better match with the Speed Racer theme song.

 

[Artoomis]

whoops

 

[Plane Sailing]

Not exactly what you're looking for, but a hasted fighter with a "speed" weapon could move, get two attacks (in his standard action) and then move again. Are you thinking more along the lines of a creature though?

What if someone is riding an awakened mount - the mount is hasted, runs up, delays his partial action until after the rider makes his full attack, and then takes his partial action to run away ?!?

What about a hasted hydra with spring attack and lots of heads, all of which take an attack as a standard action (guessing?)

OK, I'm getting a bit off the wall here, but I'm batting for ya!