Square of Origin of a Close Blast

[Maudragon]

The Player's Handbook states for the origin of a close blast: "A close blast uses a square within your space as its origin square." What about the cases I have attached in the chart below? Are those positions feasible? Are those attack still considered close blasts? ​

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mao​

 

[James McMurray]

No. The blast fills an area adjacent to the origin square. Check out the diagram on p. 272.

 

[Maudragon]

No. The blast fills an area adjacent to the origin square. Check out the diagram on p. 272.

I checked the diagram many times today. But, what about the sentence at page 272 "The blast must be adjacent to its origin square, which is a square in your space. The origin square is not affected by the blast"?

In my proposed cases that sentence make full sense since the area is still "adjacent" to the origin square and the origin square is a square in your space, including your own square. Please, let me know what do you think about this.

Ciao,
mao

 

[ForbidenMaster]

I checked the diagram many times today. But, what about the sentence at page 272 "The blast must be adjacent to its origin square, which is a square in your space. The origin square is not affected by the blast"?

In my proposed cases that sentence make full sense since the area is still "adjacent" to the origin square and the origin square is a square in your space, including your own square. Please, let me know what do you think about this.

Ciao,
mao

There is no such thing as infinite oregano. The intent is clear, the originating square is the focal point of the blast and the originating suqare muset be a space that you occupy.

 

[Lurker37]

The bit about square in your space is for creatures who occupy more than one square, like a dragon using its breath weapon.

 

[mhall67]

Your diagram for medium creatures does not qualify for "adjacent" which means "next to" and not "within" so that is not a proper blast. For creatures who occupy more than one square, I cannot see why they cannot do what your diagram shows if the square of origin is one of the two squares below the blast area. It might be a good trick if they are immune to the blast damage and/or do not want to get their minions down range. I am not sure if that is what was intended by the rules, though, but in any event I don't think that situation should come up too often.

 

[Maudragon]

The bit about square in your space is for creatures who occupy more than one square, like a dragon using its breath weapon.

Yes, but in my opinion that's already covered in the definition of a close attack (see the new diagram attached). What seems out of place in the paragraph is the sentence "The origin square is not affected by the blast". In fact, if the blast area is always outside the creature's space that sentence does not make sense at all.

Ciao,

 

[ForbidenMaster]

Yes, but in my opinion that's already covered in the definition of a close attack (see the new diagram attached). What seems out of place in the paragraph is the sentence "The origin square is not affected by the blast". In fact, if the blast area is always outside the creature's space that sentence does not make sense at all.

Ciao,

Its not a large leap of the mind to think that an origninating square might also be effected. The sentence in question just puts that to rest making it a non isssue.

PS. Ignore my above post, I keep getting confused by the diffirent B's.

 

[Contents May Vary]

The sentence makes sense; it's just a truism. I imagine they are repeating things to really make the point.

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[Maudragon]

Your diagram for medium creatures does not qualify for "adjacent" which means "next to" and not "within" so that is not a proper blast.

Just to be sure I also double checked the definition of adjacent squares in D&D ("Adjacent Squares", Player's Handbook, page 273): "Two creatures or objects are adjacent if one of them occupies a square adjacent to a square occupied by the other." So even in the case of a medium creatures the blast area is adjacent to the space of the creature, since the blast occupies the same square of origin (i.e. the creature) and it is adjacent to it by geometry. What do you think about this?

It might be a good trick if they are immune to the blast damage and/or do not want to get their minions down range. I am not sure if that is what was intended by the rules, though, but in any event I don't think that situation should come up too often.

Evil trick played by the DM. I came up with this nasty trick since in the Draconicon 3.5 dragons could breath on their own space (I have to find the page for that).

Ciao,
mao