[SS] Roll With It (was: (Very) Thick Skinned)

[Limper]

First: When did Dwarf get classified as Monsterous? I dont think he'd qualify in the first place. Now if your DM allows it cool concept.

Don't they have to select feats before they can get a familar though? The feats have to be selected as the level is gained, so I don't see how this could happen.

There is no order of level benefits.

 

[Crothian]

There is no order of level benefits.

Except for those on page 145 in the PHB. Feats is number 7, class features are number 9.

 

[hammymchamham]

First: When did Dwarf get classified as Monsterous? I dont think he'd qualify in the first place. Now if your DM allows it cool concept.



There is no order of level benefits.

Its not a Monsterous feat, but a General Feat.

 

[The Souljourner]

There's an order, but there's also an out: somewhere around 145 or 144 there's a statement that abilities with prerequisites that are met with stats from this level are able to be taken at this level. There was even an example about taking a rank in ride and mounted combat (I think that was the example). So really, the order is fairly arbitrary.

But anyway, who wants to waste two feats to get a wizard/sorcerer damage reduction 2/-? If it comes into play, 2 less damage isn't going to save you, but 2 magic related feats might.

-The Souljourner

 

[Limper]

Its not a Monsterous feat, but a General Feat.

Now that I've made it home... you are correct. I have no idea why that one isn't a Monsterous Feat but oh well.

I still don't think the order listed on 145 is a RULE. I think its a reminder of all the stuff you need to do when you level.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I still don't think the order listed on 145 is a RULE. I think its a reminder of all the stuff you need to do when you level.

Would be kind of a neat trick assigning your skill points before you choose your class, wouldn't it?

-Hyp.

 

[Pax]

Five levels of Survivor would be superior to 10 levels of Dwarven Defender, eally. DR 5/- for the Survivor, or 6/- for the defender ... in half as many levels.

Or, go Fighter(8)/Survivor(5)/DwarvenDefender(7). With Feats like:

Fighter 1 ... Dodge
Character 1 ... Toughness
Fighter 2 ... Endurance
Character 3 ... Roll With It
Fighter 4 (whatever)
Character 6 ... Roll With It
Fighter 6 (whatever)
Fighter 8 (whatever)
Character 9 ... Roll With It
Character 12 ... Roll With It
Character 15 ... Roll With It
Character 18 ... Roll With It

So in other words, he'd have 3 feats to spend on tactics (above and beyond what a DD needs), have DR of 20/- ... (+3/defender, +5/survivor, +12/feats). That'd cover Focus, Specialisation, and some special-trick-ability feat or other.

Drop the 7th Dwarven Defender level and pick up the Feral Template, and you have a Feral Dwarf with DR 20/- ... and Fast Healing (2) ... heh!

 

[Darklone]

Only problem I see is that such a dwarf would have to rely only on fighter feats... Iron will would be sorely missed

 

[bret]

Makes me think of the Comic Villian, Juggernaut. Damage just bounces off, but take off his magic helm and any enchantment cast his way lays him out.

 

[The Souljourner]

Found the rule I was looking for (no where near 145... my bad). At the beginning of the feats section it says (paraphrasing since I don't have my book here) if you gain the prerequisite for a feat when you level, you may take the feat that level.

As for Survivor, it's cool, but there's a big loss here - no BAB. Going from 20 down to 15 BAB is a huge loss. I don't think that justifies the +2 DR or evasion abilities.

And yes, I realize he's suscepitble to enchantments, but at the same time, Dwarven Defender does get a good Will save progression, and it's not too hard to add a level of paladin. I think a Dwarf paladin 2/fighter 8/DD 10 is quite the cool character. With an additional +3-6 on every save, you should be doing quite well. Of course you do lose a fighter feat for that, but it may be worth it.

-The Souljourner