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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Put me on record as thinking Carl is a Q. Course, we will probably be proved wrong and something out there will come up.

I'm going to guess they won't explain Carl at all. He's just one of those weird things you find in Trek.
 

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ART!

Adventurer
In "City on the Edge of Forever", the Guardian of Forever is inert until Kirk asks Spock (or vice versa) a question about the Guardian. then it lights up and proclaims "A question! Since before your sun burned hot in space, I have awaited...a question."

In "Terra Firma, part 1", Carl says "The answer follows the question. It's dangerous if it goes the other way." I can't remember the full exchange.

On top of all the other CotEoF references swirling around Carl, this leans me further toward thinking Carl and the door are a Guardian.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
In "City on the Edge of Forever", the Guardian of Forever is inert until Kirk asks Spock (or vice versa) a question about the Guardian. then it lights up and proclaims "A question! Since before your sun burned hot in space, I have awaited...a question."

In "Terra Firma, part 1", Carl says "The answer follows the question. It's dangerous if it goes the other way." I can't remember the full exchange.

On top of all the other CotEoF references swirling around Carl, this leans me further toward thinking Carl and the door are a Guardian.
The word “question” appearing in two shows is pretty tenuous!
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
The word “question” appearing in two shows is pretty tenuous!

Morrus, this reads like you are willfully ignoring elements. It isn't just the word.

In both cases:
1) a character poses a question to another character
2) the entity pipes up, talking about questions
3) the entity then provides a gateway through time.

If you want to dismiss that similarity of sequence as coicidence, that's fine. But at least acknowledge the entire sequence.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Morrus, this reads like you are willfully ignoring elements. It isn't just the word.

In both cases:
1) a character poses a question to another character
2) the entity pipes up, talking about questions
3) the entity then provides a gateway through time.

If you want to dismiss that similarity of sequence as coicidence, that's fine. But at least acknowledge the entire sequence.
Calm down, man.
 


Mallus

Hero
I can officially no longer tell if DISCO earns its delirious emotional beats or not. I want to say Hell no, but man I loved Terra Firma part 2. So you win, show. You’re so committed to this tone, this melodramatic empathy occasionally punctuated by extreme violence and frequent crying, like you’re unashamed your influences include both Rebecca Sugar and Quentin Tarantino I can’t hold it against you.
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I can officially no longer tell if DISCO earns its delirious emotional beats or not.

I have seen it several times over, but I haven't figured out why folks question it "earning" its beats - it sets you up to feel them, or it doesn't. If you feel them, then pretty clearly, it has earned them, yah?

That it may manage to make people feel things with much shorter setup than other shows, but that's a thing you can do if you have really effective storytelling and acting.
 


MarkB

Legend
I was very impressed with the latest episode. Visually stunning, exciting, Tilly was awesome, and some logical developments of TNG-era technology.
 

Omand

Adventurer
I found it a very interesting episode as well. Did not see all of the twists they threw in, although I was immediately suspicious that there would some sort of capture scenario in play when they announced another ship was suddenly on the scene.

Cheers :)
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I was very impressed with the latest episode. Visually stunning, exciting, Tilly was awesome, and some logical developments of TNG-era technology.

Tilly was awesome.

But, this explanation for The Burn? I'm not a fan.
 

Hussar

Legend
Yeah, @Umbran, I hope there's more to it than "A child had a tantrum and destroyed the universe". Although, to be fair, that would probably be the most TOS type answer ever.
 

MarkB

Legend
The explanation is a bit unsatisfying, but I think it may lead to an interesting moral dilemma. I don't think anyone's going to be able to exploit and mine the dilithium planet while Su'kal is still alive and connected to it.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Yeah, @Umbran, I hope there's more to it than "A child had a tantrum and destroyed the universe". Although, to be fair, that would probably be the most TOS type answer ever.

Admittedly, given the timing, that "tantrum" was probably "watched his mother, the only living being he knows in the universe, die". We don't have to characterize it as if the pain and outburst weren't warranted.

The issue is with "for no real reason, one person just happens to be able to accidentally destroy a galaxy spanning civilization". It isn't that someone in fear and pain displayed that pain.
 




Mallus

Hero
I was prepared to be disappointed by the explanation for the Burn, but I kinda... wasn't. In a season whose theme is trauma and its aftermath, shown at both the personal and civilizational level, the Burn being the product of a single child's pain worked for me.

The production design for the episode helped a lot. I loved the Escher stepwell and the tower, though in part because it looked like a video game while having solid intradiagetic reasons for doing so, ie it was a video game, sort of.

I don't think Trek has ever come closer to being a science fantasy fairy tale. I feel like this is something Harlan Ellison could have written (and Rebecca Sugar could have re-written after Ellison was fired). I agree it felt of a piece with some of TOS's more gonzo conceits. Like the stone time donut that allowed a high AF McCoy to temporarily eradicate their entire timeline...

I like the bizarre fever dream danger of original Trek (which is present in the TNG-era, too, to be fair). It's nice when makes the occasional reappearance. And I'm also looking forward to see what kind of ethical dilemma is in store next week -- they really should have named the planet Omelas IV or something...
 
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