Star Wars d20 is dead

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

But seriously, was there an "official" press release somewhere?

Nope, just our monthly post about it.

Still nothing official at all, so its still in the same state of limbo its been in for the last year or so. Nothing new at all here.

Also, if it was truly dead, the website wouldn't still be doing Jedi Counseling articles with RPG questions and the RPG page wouldn't get updates anymore.

 

[kenobi65]

So nothing on the slate this year and no more OP support for the game. I have heard nothing about the Living Force campaign through the RPGA, so we'd need someone from the RPGA to clue on in on that front.

Don't be saying that there's no more OP support for SW, because it's simply not true.

Some updated info for you:

Two new Living Force modules were premiered at Origins; the third module in that trilogy will be premiered at GenCon Indy.

Four "missing" LF modules appeared on the RPGA event ordering system last Friday (the trilogy that premiered at Winter Fantasy, as well as a stand-alone module from year 5). There are still 5 modules from Year 4 that are missing, but it is hoped that they'll "materialize" over the next few months. All of the "missing" LF modules have been hung up at Lucasfilm Licensing.

The RPGA has continued to say that the campaign will wrap up with a trilogy to be released at Winter Fantasy 2006....note that this is consistent with what their plans have been all along.

Now that the missing LF modules have started to appear, the other pending "future" question is: will there be a second Living Force campaign? We know that initial work had started on it last year; we also know that the LF campaign staff was told to put that work on hold sometime last winter.

 

[The_Universe]

So, I take this to mean that organized play *will* likely continue, but we're still never going to see another book published for this game?

 

[Wystan]

Use Spycraft 2.0 to create your own starwars game...

 

[kenobi65]

So, I take this to mean that organized play *will* likely continue, but we're still never going to see another book published for this game?

I wouldn't go that far. It appears to me that WotC is letting the RPGA finish out the current campaign, that's all (though, to those of us who have been playing LF for four years, and have been eagerly awaiting the concluding adventures, this is still a good thing).

(BelenUmeria had stated, "all OP support has been cancelled for the game", and I wanted to point out that this wasn't the case.)

From notes that August Hahn (LF campaign co-ordinator) has posted on the campaign's unofficial Yahoo Group list, it seems obvious that any support of LF beyond that (i.e., a new campaign) is entirely dependent on whether WotC decides to continue / reinstate support of the RPG. If WotC doesn't support the RPG in 2006 and beyond, a "Living Force 2" campaign would be highly unlikely.

 

[Kanegrundar]

Still there is no "official" word that the RPG line is dead. For all intents and purposes, it is, but I'll hold out hope until that official word comes down.

Kane

 

[kenobi65]

So, will current players stop playing?

My home group will likely continue playing....we never stopped during the 2 1/2 years after WEG lost the SW license, but before WotC's version came out. As Henry points out, there's plenty of source material already out there, to keep a game running for a long time.

I also have a group of people with whom I play Living Force. This group plays several other RPGA campaigns, so I'm sure we'll keep playing together in those other campaigns if there isn't a follow-up campaign to Living Force, but LF is our favorite RPGA campaign, and it'll be sad to see it end.

 

[Breakdaddy]

I'm not worried about it, because I have every Star Wars supplement I can possibly need to play any Star Wars game I want, and the minis that keep coming out mean that I have plenty of choice for my battlemats. It's disappointing to see no new product, but past more worldbooks on places NOT in the various movies, there's not a lot else to expect from the line, is there?

Word!!!!!

 

[wingsandsword]

I thought you said in the FLGS support thread that you had "official" word that the line is dead. This made me think you had gotten word from someone in WotC or, better yet, WotC had finally said something official. Without either of those two points (preferrably an annoucement from WotC), this is honestly nothing more than another "woe for SWD20" thread.

Kane

Exactly.

Without an official announcement, this is nothing. When they stop with the regular Jedi Counseling articles, when they stop with web features like the Dark Forces Saga and Byss and the Deep Core. When they remove the SWRPG material from the web and take down their message board on Wizards.com. When no more minis products come out with RPG stats (the Revenge of the Sith missions book had RPG stats in it for the major movie characters). When they stop with web articles giving RPG stats for minis characters.
That's when it's dead. They still have the license, and given how big the RPG sold when it was out (all signs and indications I've seen were that it was the 2nd biggest RPG on the market when it was being actively marketed), I presume the silence comes from some disagreement between WotC and Lucasfilm over the product line.

On the FLGS thread you made it seem like there was some official annoucement or big declaration. Short of WotC saying point blank "we're discontinuing the RPG" and terminating even their web support, it's just gloom & doom. Can you point to anything definiative instead of just bad signs?

Even if, worst case scenario, they discontinue the RPG, there are still people playing the D6 SWRPG now 7 years after it was discontinued. Just because WotC isn't making more books doesn't mean WotCPol is going to come confiscate your books. The only real annoyance is a lack of stats for a lot of Clone Wars/Episode III material, that's the only thing I really want, the rest is icing on the cake.

Personally, I'm holding out faith for a Gen Con announcement (not likely, but I certainly hope for it).

 

[kenobi65]

They still have the license, and given how big the RPG sold when it was out (all signs and indications I've seen were that it was the 2nd biggest RPG on the market when it was being actively marketed), I presume the silence comes from some disagreement between WotC and Lucasfilm over the product line.

I dunno. I've always gotten the sense that while it might have sold well in an absolute sense (and, probably any company *other* than WotC would have been thrilled), SWRPG didn't meet WotC's sales goals, or (more importantly, perhaps) Hasbro's profit goals.

Numbers I've read indicate that SWRPG had about 1/10th the sales of D&D. That might well have been enough to make it #2, but ultimately it's profitability that's been the problem, IMO.