Star Wars what if. Qui Gon doesnt die.

[JacktheRabbit]

I also thought of it as a Ying/Yang balance type of deal since it fit with the other Eastern Elements that Lucas used in the movie.

If you want to put it that way.

I'll have to see where I heard/read Lucas state what he means by balancing the force. Personally I have no opinion on the matter since my normal way of thinking of balance (equal amounts on both sides) so obviously doesn't work in this case.

 

[KnowTheToe]

I think the force was just plain pissed off so many beings were always manipulating it, so it created Vader and killed all those selfish Jedi. Now force particals all over the galaxy can finally rest in peace

 

[Villano]

I'll have to see where I heard/read Lucas state what he means by balancing the force. Personally I have no opinion on the matter since my normal way of thinking of balance (equal amounts on both sides) so obviously doesn't work in this case.

Y'know, the more I'm reading on this thread, the more I could swear remember hearing/reading an interview with one of the actors in Phantom Menace (Neeson or, er, Obi Wan...I can't remember his name now ) who said that Qui Gon forsaw that Luke would balance the Force, but thought it was Anakin.

Was that actually said, or am I coming up with memories to justify what I think (that's a sign of getting old, y'know )?

 

[Allanon]

Hmmm...I thought that "balancing the force" meant a balance between light and dark sides in one being (or the elimination of the light and dark sides altogether and the creation of a new jedi order). However, I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars (I've seen the movies, collected a few of the Dark Horse comics, and still have all my old action figures), so I may be wrong.

Actually, saying that Anakin would balance the force and implying that it would be a good thing, only to have it mean killing a whole bunch of people seems way too ironic for Lucas (I don't think that Lucas really understands irony).

True, when he killed Obi Wan while Luke began training returned the balance to 2 (Palpatine & Vader and Yoda & Luke), he totally screwed up that balance when he killed the Emperor and himself. In the end, he left just Luke.

Granted, you could argue that Vader and Luke were the only ones left initially, but Vader had turned by that point, which possibly means 2 light (3 if you count Leia) and 0 dark.

One of the original writers/editors of the story (forgot his name) actually revealed that the original ending to RotJ was that Luke would become half dark/half light... sorta twisted. This would "balance" the force. He also revealed the the Ewoks where a Lucas invention (I hate those 'things') and the happy end to. In the original script Han Solo dies for instance, and even if the Ewoks would have survived the editing they would never have been able to defeat Stormtroopers in ARMOR with sticks and rocks

 

[Welverin]

One of the original writers/editors of the story (forgot his name) actually revealed that the original ending to RotJ was that Luke would become half dark/half light... sorta twisted. This would "balance" the force. He also revealed the the Ewoks where a Lucas invention (I hate those 'things') and the happy end to. In the original script Han Solo dies for instance, and even if the Ewoks would have survived the editing they would never have been able to defeat Stormtroopers in ARMOR with sticks and rocks

Well a primitive race kicking imperial ass was always the plan. Lucas' original idea was for it to be wookies but after the first two movies he decided that Chewie to firmly established them as too tech savvy so he created the ewoks (which I do not hate).

Can’t help you with the memory question Villano.

I think I was going to add something else but I forgot what. Maybe I’ll remember it later, probably the instant I lay down to go to sleep at which point it will bother me so much I’ll have to get up and post it so I can fall asleep.

 

[jdavis]

It was Lando Calrissian who was supposed to die (Han had a moment of forboding when he left the Mon Calimari cruiser and said he had a feeling he would never see the Falcon again, this got changed. Harrison Ford wanted Han to die, he wasn't really a happy camper on the set of Jedi (Carrie Fisher was, but that was drug induced).

I hate the Ewoks too and one of my favorite scenes is when they get blown up and the one Ewok is holding his dead friend, I thought that was great, hairy little freaks, I under stand why they got changed from being wookies but cute little teddy bear people?

I don't remember anything about Luke balancing the force in himself but there was so much edited and changed, it is possible and does sound like something Lucas would come up with.

 

[jdavis]

One of the original writers/editors of the story (forgot his name) actually revealed that the original ending to RotJ was that Luke would become half dark/half light... sorta twisted. This would "balance" the force. He also revealed the the Ewoks where a Lucas invention (I hate those 'things') and the happy end to. In the original script Han Solo dies for instance, and even if the Ewoks would have survived the editing they would never have been able to defeat Stormtroopers in ARMOR with sticks and rocks

Lucas was the original writer, but I don't remember who actually wrote or edited Jedi, everything went through Lucas (and still does) he is in 100% creative control (or out of control, depending on your view of the new movies) of all Star Wars stuff.

 

[Lurks-no-More]

I think the "balancing force" thing works out a bit like this:

The Jedi have stamped the Sith out, long long time ago, except for a tiny secret cult that keeps the hatred alive, waiting for a time when they can make their move.

With no enemy of their own level to fight, the Jedi become peacekeepers and police for the Republic. On the philosophical level, they turn inwards. Since giving in to hatred, envy and similar dark emotions leads one to the dark side, they try to eliminate those emotions.

And while they are at that, they get antsy about all other strong emotions. If hatred leads to Dark Side, what about jealousy? Or despair? Or fear for one's loved ones? They don't want to take the risk.

So the Jedi instigate a new recruitment program. Take them in early, separated from their parents, and raise them as cool, calm people with no emotional attachments to anything except the Order and, possibly, the Republic.

This doesn't work. The Order starts to ossify. (I think this is a good explanation why the Jedi never saved Shmi afterwards; they didn't think it very important. Maybe they made some inquiries, found out that she was sold to a decent man, and thought that wrapped it up nicely. No Mom to disturb young Anakin, and so on.)

The "balancing Force" thing by Anakin means that he should bring emotions and life back to the Jedi. Unfortunately, the fossilization of the Order has gotten too far, and Palpatine's Sith influence is growing too fast, and wham! Anakin slides to the Dark Side, butchering the majority of the Jedi. (I believe that Obi-Wan and Yoda were not the only survivors of the purges; just the only Jedi Masters who made it. There are probably padwans and even full Jedi Knights out there, hiding from the Imperium.)

So the job falls on Luke's shoulders, and the kid seems to manage it. He believes in good in people, he helps his friends even if it puts him in risk, he wants the truth (as opposed to Obi-Wan and Yoda, who both manipulate him; for good ends, yes, but manipulate never the less), and he wants to save his father. And he does it.

When Luke is restarting the Jedi, I'm sure they will be better balanced people.

 

[jdavis]

sounds good to me, and it ties back in to why Anakin wasn't going to be allowed in the first time or why they talk about canidates being too old to start the training at 10.

 

[Rune]

A couple of points.

First, I also believe that Luke is the personification of a balanced light and dark side of the Force. Remember, he failed every major test put before him by Yoda. He very nearly did kill Vadar and replace him. In many respects, he was a self-taught jedi. And, at the end of the day, I don't think he's devoid of the emotions (including dark-side-inducing emotions) that the prequil jedi strive so hard to quash.

Point two: Come on! How can you hate a bunch of cute, pudgey teddy-bears that frikkin' eat people?