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Kahuna Burger said:
I think of her more as carter's adopted daughter, she was the one who bonded with her, not the doc.

Kahuna burger
Carter couldn't keep her so Dr Fraiser adopted her , they have a real good episode in season five (rite of passage) which really goes into Dr Carter's relationship with Cassandra (she goes all crazy protective Mom on Nirrti at one point). Her and Carter act more like buddies (or a favorite aunt/neice relationship) in the episode than mother/daughter, Dr Fraiser is definatly in the Mom role.

As far as strong female roles I think Sam's main strength is that she is the absolute smartest person on the whole base by a pretty wide margin, not to mention she is a intrigal part of a trained combat unit (well except for Daniel). I've seen quite a few episodes where she gets into plenty of physical situations (there is the episode from the first season witht he Mongols for instance where she beats the Tribal leader in a knife fight). There are also plenty of female Goa'ulds out there who are System Lords. I think they play up the bit with her and O'Neill for comedy from time to time (she's a girl and he's a moron).

On the Christianity bit, I ain't going to go into that here (for the obvious reasons) but I've have seen it covered a couple of times (check out "politics" in season one for example; O'Niell and Senator Kinsey have a go around on God not stopping the Goa'ulds from blowing Earth up). It doesn't come up often but the couple of times I've seen it come up they don't pull any punches, they really don't take a "wussy" approach to that topic at all.

SciFi.com has a decent episode guide, it's full of character typos and spoilers but all and all it gives a decent overview of every episode. Arduinna's Stargate Handbook, is a pretty good site too: http://trickster.org/arduinna/stargate/

darn my longwindedness, somebody beat me to the Cassandra episode while I was typing.
 
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jdavis said:
It doesn't come up often but the couple of times I've seen it come up they don't pull any punches, they really don't take a "wussy" approach to that topic at all.

"I have read some of your bible and I cannot imagine any gould being [good, kind, gentle?] enough to take on that role..."

I laughed out loud when I heard that. I'm not "hostile" to christianity, but I have read the source material, and its a laughable sop to "please don't anyone be offended at us." Punches were far more than pulled, they made a rediculous comment to suck up to anyone who might come close to offense in the episode they even came close....

Kahuna burger
 

Kahuna Burger said:
"I have read some of your bible and I cannot imagine any gould being [good, kind, gentle?] enough to take on that role..."

I laughed out loud when I heard that. I'm not "hostile" to christianity, but I have read the source material, and its a laughable sop to "please don't anyone be offended at us." Punches were far more than pulled, they made a rediculous comment to suck up to anyone who might come close to offense in the episode they even came close....

Kahuna burger

On the plus side only one character in the show has been an obvious straight out Christian. That would be the slack jawed, wild eyed Senator Kinsey who is obviously a Bible Thumping True Believer and a complete moron.

In fact at one point he actually tells Teal'C that GOD will save the Earth from the Goa'uld as if Jesus himself was going to show up and blow up invading Motherships.

So I think the show takes a pretty good jab at Christianity through Kinsey. Not that it really matters the whole concept of the show pretty well makes christianity impossible. Though I would be willing to bet that if they ever explored it on show they would decide that Jesus was a member of the Nox who somehow ended up on Earth.
 


jdavis said:
I think they play up the bit with her and O'Neill for comedy from time to time (she's a girl and he's a moron).

Yeah, but we've seen that O'Neill plays dumb too. He's not as stupid as he acts. I think it's because they like each other, but they can't "fraternize" because of military regulations. After all, they're both aware of alternate realities out there where Sam was a civilian and married to O'Neill.
 

Orius said:
Yeah, but we've seen that O'Neill plays dumb too. He's not as stupid as he acts. I think it's because they like each other, but they can't "fraternize" because of military regulations. After all, they're both aware of alternate realities out there where Sam was a civilian and married to O'Neill.

It has been pretty well laid out in the series that everyone knows Jack is not nearly as dumb as he acts. I mean occcasionally he plays dumb over simple astronomy items and the Pilot for the series showed that he is a very serious amateur astronomer.
 

DocMoriartty said:
It has been pretty well laid out in the series that everyone knows Jack is not nearly as dumb as he acts. I mean occcasionally he plays dumb over simple astronomy items and the Pilot for the series showed that he is a very serious amateur astronomer.

He's not stupid, but perhaps ignorant. Willfully ignorant at times. He seems to not only not know that much about other branches of science beyond astronomy, but he doesn't seem to want to know either. For RDA, I have to wonder if this is some sort of reaction to playing Macgyver for so many years.
 

DocMoriartty said:
On the plus side only one character in the show has been an obvious straight out Christian. That would be the slack jawed, wild eyed Senator Kinsey who is obviously a Bible Thumping True Believer and a complete moron.

In fact at one point he actually tells Teal'C that GOD will save the Earth from the Goa'uld as if Jesus himself was going to show up and blow up invading Motherships.

So I think the show takes a pretty good jab at Christianity through Kinsey. Not that it really matters the whole concept of the show pretty well makes christianity impossible. Though I would be willing to bet that if they ever explored it on show they would decide that Jesus was a member of the Nox who somehow ended up on Earth.

I was guessing tokra. ;) It is too bad that the show's premise is never fully carried out to its logical conclusions re current religions. I could see Daniel as an archeologist playing the skeptic, carter as the warm and fuzzy spiritual type and Jack as the quintesential unexplored christian (ie, he probably considers himself to be whatever religion he was raised in, with possibly a bitter lapse arounf the time of his son's death). The characters wouldn't neccassarily come to the conclusion that christianity was impossible - though it would likely knock down any biblical literalist hanging out. :D Kinsey was kinda embarrassing... though I suppose his fervant belief might be part of his hostility to the stargate program... if they were going to play the Bible banger trope, it would have been funnier if he or some other high up type decided we needed to send missionaries through the gate. :p

Kahuna burger
 

Orius said:
Yeah, but we've seen that O'Neill plays dumb too. He's not as stupid as he acts. I think it's because they like each other, but they can't "fraternize" because of military regulations. After all, they're both aware of alternate realities out there where Sam was a civilian and married to O'Neill.
Not to mention the episode where they wear those armbands that make them superhuman. O'Neill and Carter get stuck on opposite sides of the force field and right before they are saved look at each other long and hard and say they love each other.
 

Datt said:
Not to mention the episode where they wear those armbands that make them superhuman. O'Neill and Carter get stuck on opposite sides of the force field and right before they are saved look at each other long and hard and say they love each other.

...and then they had to admit it when it triggered the Zatarc detector. Only Teal'c, Dr. Frasier, and Anise/Freya (is she dead?) know about that though.

Then there was the time where Jack and Teal'c were caught in that groundhog day kind of thing and, having realized that he could do whatever he wants and it will just be erased on the next cycle, Jack resigned and kissed Sam.
 

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