Strange New Worlds season 2 - SPOILERS

[Mallus]

I generally agree. You see the same things happening with comics that are trying to maintain long continuities. I guess Kitty Pryde is an adult now, but she was a teenager for a loooooong time. How many people remember it was still the CARTER administration when she became an X-man?

Whenever someone insists canon is inviolate, I like to ask them “what year was Batman born?”.

 

[Mallus]

To me, making that kind of unnecessary change makes it a bad story, at least to some degree. You want a different history? Write a new story in a new universe. People do it every day.

But this is exactly what most long running franchises did not do.

Bond. Marvel/MCU. DC. Who. Etc.

 

[Micah Sweet]

But this is exactly what most long running franchises did not do.

Bond. Marvel/MCU. DC. Who. Etc.

Fair enough, but Trek waited nearly 60 years before they did it like this, and until then had an astonishingly continuous history. There's a difference.

And there are reasons why those other franchises did it differently. Bond is about the man, not the details of its setting. Marvel comics and the MCU are separate continuities and always have been, and the comics universe has gone to great effort to maintain its continuity as best it can. DC resets the universe regularly, and IMO suffers for it, which is why its big characters are less people with histories and more representative icons. And Who is fundamentally  about time travel.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

And Vermont! A state I hear about less often than the Dakotas or Maine.

I kind of lump the whole of New England together in my mind. It's the place where Cabot Cove and Innsmouth are located. I don't know what's different about the individual states.

I don't think East and West Dakota are in New England. I have an idea they have mountains?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Whenever someone insists canon is inviolate, I like to ask them “what year was Batman born?”.

1951.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Okay alot of folks don't really get the implications of the Star Trek cosmology, with its endless time travel & mutual incursion from other universes.

Is there a paradox about when the Eugenics war occurred? Yep, and their should be, because with all the time travel and temporal shield and weird pheonoma and pockets of time that moves at different speeds, the "Prime Universe" should be filled with anchronisms and weird contradictions.

Even La'an is part anchronism now, she has memories of events that no longer happened, yet events that don't exist shaped her. She breathed the air of an alternate timeline and absorbed is light through her skin to produce vitaman D, microscopic bits of that timeline are still in her as she interacted with it. This changes the amount of energy and matter in both universes.

And I haven't even got to the effect her act of time travel had on future time travellers, who then go back in time and shape her past and future, which then changes her trip and that in turn changes the future acts of time travel in an endless cycle of time travel and transformation.

Also Kirks dead body still exists in the past, buried somewhere or cremated ashes, a lingering anchonism.

And this actually explains all the contradictions in Star Trek, from how the Defiant's size varying by huge amounts for example.

It also means that when La'an went into the past that moment was both her past, present, and future at the same time.

Look up a setting called Mage: The Awakening thatexplores these themes.

 

[Stalker0]

Fair enough, but Trek waited nearly 60 years before they did it like this, and until then had an astonishingly continuous history.

Well to be fair we are finally at the years where our actual history is starting to overlap Trek history, so the fact we have to do it more now makes sense.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Well to be fair we are finally at the years where our actual history is starting to overlap Trek history, so the fact we have to do it more now makes sense.

The original dates of the Eugenics Wars overlapped the present 30 years ago, but they didn't force a change until season 2 of Picard last year, and confirmed it less than a week ago.

 

[billd91]

The original dates of the Eugenics Wars overlapped the present 30 years ago, but they didn't force a change until season 2 of Picard last year, and confirmed it less than a week ago.

Was it ever relevant to do it before? Not really.
Ultimately, the timeline actually remains the same for me. The Eugenics Wars are in the not-too-distant future… for the audience of the show. That audience is now 50 years on from the original show and the Eugenics Wars remain consistently in the near future.

 

[Umbran]

The original dates of the Eugenics Wars overlapped the present 30 years ago, but they didn't force a change until season 2 of Picard last year, and confirmed it less than a week ago.

How many Trek stories in those 30 years have directly referenced the Eugenics Wars in a way that makes the date relevant to the plot?