D&D (2024) Sword Coast population data from 2024 D&D Pocket Expert

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There was a lot of nonsense printed in 3rd edition, but I doubt they actually said that their population figures were limited to only those people who lived within the city walls (and on the surface at that), because that is not how you measure the population of a city.

Certainly, this 2 million figure is not stating "within the city walls", so we have to assume the population is being measured in the standard way.
 

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There was a lot of nonsense printed in 3rd edition, but I doubt they actually said that their population figures were limited to only those people who lived within the city walls (and on the surface at that), because that is not how you measure the population of a city.

They gave the city numbers at 132k and 1.5 million surrounding area.

Imperial Rome was approaching 60k per sq mile by comparison (3 times denser approx). Assuming the numbers weren't porkies.

WD high but not blatantly absurd in 3E.
 

Sure, and 2 million around 50 years later, and that's the idea - the Sword Coast is "early modern", not medieval. Check out the depiction in Baldur's Gate 3. Printing presses with movable type, industrialisation, railroads, submarines. And Waterdeep is more advanced than Baldur's Gate.

Terry Pratchett was doing the same thing with Ankh-Morpork when he died, another city state with a population in the millions.
Wow. Now we're "early modern"? Holy time jump batman. We've skipped forward about six or eight centuries while the rest of the Sword Coast is set about 1500 AD technology wise.
 

Wow. Now we're "early modern"? Holy time jump batman. We've skipped forward about six or eight centuries while the rest of the Sword Coast is set about 1500 AD technology wise.
There isn’t really anything to support any part of the Sword Coast being stuck in the 16th century.

Neverwinter has balloon powered flight for example (late 18th century).

As per BG1, the Baldur’s Gate region has had railroads and cannon for over a hundred years.
 

There isn’t really anything to support any part of the Sword Coast being stuck in the 16th century.

Neverwinter has balloon powered flight for example (late 18th century).

As per BG1, the Baldur’s Gate region has had railroads and cannon for over a hundred years.
Huh? Where is the balloon powered flight?

There were no railroads in BG 1. Nor cannons. What game did you play?

Dude, I get that you REALLY want this, but, now you're just making stuff up.
 



But, we're talking about trade east FROM Waterdeep.
We are talking about the overland trade from the Silver Marches and so on to the Northeast of Waterdeep, that goes by land to Waterdeep then further via boat or caravan.
There's just no way that any major trade goes eastward from Waterdeep when you've got a major waterway not that far to the south in Baldur's Gate.
..? Baldur's Gate is like 600 miles to the South, and the only way to get anything from the Savage Frontier to Baldur's Gate is through Watetdeep via land, or through Waterdeep by docking for supplies for the 600 mile trip.
So, all that stuff goes to Waterdeep, gets put on a boat and sent onwards to Baldur's Gate.
Yes, exactly. Baldur's Gate is the trade hub of the Western Heartlands, just as Waterdeep is the trade hib of the Sablvahe Frontier. Those are different regions, and the two hits feed each other. And in 1E, they were a similar population size, just over 100k.
Which means that Watrdeep isn't actually the hub. The hub is actually Baldur's Gate - at least for any trade going Eastward.
Not to and from the Savage Frontier...?
 
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Dude, those are mine tracks, not railroads.
You need hard steel to manufacture railroad tracks, they are as much of a technological innovation as steam power, the principle of which has been know since ancient times. You also need hard steel to make the sewer valves that appear in both BG1 and 3. It’s implied that the cloakwood mines were drained with steam pumps (could have been magitech, but that makes no difference).
Anyway, yeah, I'm done here. This is getting pointless. You have a good night.
Greenwood was never much into medievalism, that was Gygax’s thing. Notice how few monarchies there are on the Sword Coast? Greenwood put in specific places for medievalism, such as Cormyr.
 

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